The Golden Syringe Award

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Here are the three leaders this year with 1st off the claim:

* JC Guerrero (20-for-31) 65% wins $3.07 ROI

* Brad Cox (21-for-49) 43% wins $3.86 ROI

* Rudy Rod (8-for-20) 40% wins $3.44 ROI

[Danzig]

maybe they should offer a lifetime achievement award in that category as well. i've got some ideas on who they could name it after.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Danzig

maybe they should offer a lifetime achievement award in that category as well. i've got some ideas on who they could name it after.

Considering that Keith Bennett has won 4 Golden Syringe's since 1999 - I think it's him.

Tragically he hasn't started a horse since April 27th of this year.

He was in strong contention for a 5th title this year - winning 32 of 84 races in 2010 (38% wins) and with a profitable ROI... it's too bad he decided to empty his syringes and hang it up.

Bennett has had a win percentage of 25% or higher every single year for the last ten years. He's had a profitable ROI for the year in nine out of the last 14 years.

Oddly, the one thing his horses were getting caught with in tests was alcohol when TuP started testing for it. From the Paulik Report...

Another trainer, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told the Paulick Report alcohol is also being used in connection with so-called milkshakes, which contain baking soda and electrolytes and are designed to reduce the lactic acid buildup that causes fatigue. The concoction is mixed together as a paste, the trainer said, and can be administered through a dose syringe, though it is more effective when given through a tube into the horse’s stomach.

“You’re getting them carbohydrates at the top of the lane where some horses are running out of gas,” the trainer said. “I tried it, and believe me, it works. But I quit doing it because I couldn’t afford to get caught.”

Alchemist type stuff right there. Booze, baking soda, and electrolytes.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Here are the three leaders this year with 1st off the claim:

* JC Guerrero (20-for-31) 65% wins $3.07 ROI

JC Guerrero ran a good one off the claim a week or so ago. Claimed the horse for $16,000 and won a $75,000 PA bred stakes a few weeks later...easily.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

JC Guerrero ran a good one off the claim a week or so ago. Claimed the horse for $16,000 and won a $75,000 PA bred stakes a few weeks later...easily.

JC "the Impaler" Guerrero is possibly having the best year of any horse trainer since John Sherriffs in 1999... in terms of actual performance and not any other BS.

There is like a run in the betting on everything he sends out - especially early on - on every single horse he sends out. If they should be 6/1 on paper they're 5/2.

[Duvalier]

It would be pretty cool to switch Guerrero's horses with George Iacovacci's stock and see what kind of subsequent results each of them get.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

It would be pretty cool to switch Guerrero's horses with George Iacovacci's stock and see what kind of subsequent results each of them get.

Believe it or not - Iacovacci did claim one off of him... though it was in Oct of '09, right before the impaler started rolling like the crimson tide.



It's best race came when it finished dead last beaten 20+ lengths while racing on a live rail at PID over a synthetic surface where it's harder for horses to lose by very wide margins.

Iacovacci's probably not as bad a trainer as he's cracked up to be. Don't get me wrong, he's a horrid trainer ... but most of his stock is like horses you assume he must have purchased for $300 out of a kill pen. A guy like Alejandro Reyes is 0-for-158 this year ... and he's got a horse like Prince Joshua in his barn... a horse who was Graded Stakes placed last year and ran a 102 Beyer right before he got him.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

JC "the Impaler" Guerrero is possibly having the best year of any horse trainer since John Sherriffs in 1999... in terms of actual performance and not any other BS.

There is like a run in the betting on everything he sends out - especially early on - on every single horse he sends out. If they should be 6/1 on paper they're 5/2.

Have you run his numbers on what happens when people claim FROM him? They're amazing.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Have you run his numbers on what happens when people claim FROM him? They're amazing.

Yeah - it's remarkable. Normally, when people claim off of these guys, the sooner you run them back ... the better. They might still have magic stuck in them two or three weeks after the claim... most of the time though, it all goes down hill from there.

If these guys were like brilliant horsemen who found something nagging a horse and fixed it without using alchemy to get that improvement - you'd think that people would do fine claiming off of those guys because the horse is over what was nagging them and the high percentage guys enter so aggressively that you'd be getting a big bargain if you get the right one off of them.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yeah - it's remarkable. Normally, when people claim off of these guys, the sooner you run them back ... the better. They might still have magic stuck in them two or three weeks after the claim... most of the time though, it all goes down hill from there.

If these guys were like brilliant horsemen who found something nagging a horse and fixed it without using alchemy to get that improvement - you'd think that people would do fine claiming off of those guys because the horse is over what was nagging them and the high percentage guys enter so aggressively that you'd be getting a big bargain if you get the right one off of them.

It's mind boggling. Guerrero over the last two years:

1st off the claim: 53%, $3.63

1st after claimed from: 3%, $0.19

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

JC Guerrero ran a good one off the claim a week or so ago. Claimed the horse for $16,000 and won a $75,000 PA bred stakes a few weeks later...easily.

That may be considered a drop in class

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That may be considered a drop in class

Yeah, but to be fair, it was a 16K Non-winners of one for the year it was claimed out... and the horse ran 3rd beaten six lengths in a field of 6.

1st off of the claim, wins the 75K PA Bred stake by 8+ lengths at odds of 3/5 in a 9 horse field. Now that he blew the N1Y condition - I doubt that horse is worth 10K to almost any other trainer. He'll keeping hammering out mid 80 Beyers for the Impaler though.

[dalakhani]

How does John Carlisle rate?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

How does John Carlisle rate?

He's 41% and profitable this year - but only 31 wins. No way he gets 19 more.

Carlisle's had less than 300 starts spaced over a 10 year training career.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Here are the three leaders this year with 1st off the claim:

* JC Guerrero (20-for-31) 65% wins $3.07 ROI

* Brad Cox (21-for-49) 43% wins $3.86 ROI

* Rudy Rod (8-for-20) 40% wins $3.44 ROI

That's insane.