Nice editorial

[Riot]

I can imagine the screams of horror if America decided to go to all turf racing, like the majority of the rest of the world.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Riot

I can imagine the screams of horror if America decided to go to all turf racing, like the majority of the rest of the world.

Nice deflection.

[Riot]

Deflection of what? Grade 1's run on synthetic in other countries? Other countries run primarily turf - what does that question show except nothing? That's not comparable to synthetic use in the US. They don't need synthetic for daily racing, they have turf. Synthetic is a weather relief and training surface. Turf - in any country - doesn't have the injury rate our dirt racing has.

I'm looking forward to SA being put back to dirt, and watching the injury rate over the next few years. I think the idea that the bases (faults, holes, frost heaves, etc) on all these old tracks can be the problem is valid. If so, we won't see a "typical dirt injury rate" on the new SA track over the next few years.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Riot

Deflection of what? Grade 1's run on synthetic in other countries? Other countries run primarily turf - what does that question show except nothing? That's not comparable to synthetic use in the US. They don't need synthetic for daily racing, they have turf. Synthetic is a weather relief and training surface. Turf - in any country - doesn't have the injury rate our dirt racing has.

Deflection of the question. Try and follow along. We don't need synthetics either for daily racing. Which is the main point of it all. People have made a lot of money selling the crap here, but there is no need for it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Deflection of the question. Try and follow along. We don't need synthetics either for daily racing because horse injury rates don't matter.

FTFY.

[letswastemoney]

Although it isn't the same, synthetics plays too close to turf for me. If turf horses can invade traditional main track races like the SA Cap, HGC, and Pacific Classic and win, then why do we need a turf course? It just dilutes the turf fields if anything.

I realize not every horse that runs good on turf runs the same on synthetics (The Usual QT is the first one that comes to mind). But a lot do. It seems redundant to use 2 tracks that a lot of turf horses could interchange between so easily.

[Riot]

We're the main country for dirt racing, and we are wedded to it and refuse to change. Other countries run on a horses natural surface, turf. So it goes.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Riot

FTFY.

Another fine deflection.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Another fine deflection.

Yeah, she's never answered a question honestly and completely lacks integrity when trying to defend her POV.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Another fine deflection.

Deflection of what? Spit it out. I addressed G1's run on synthetic.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Riot

Deflection of what? Grade 1's run on synthetic in other countries? Other countries run primarily turf - what does that question show except nothing? .

That's not quite completely true. In Argentina and Chile, many of the major races are run on what they call 'sand' tracks; before 1978, it was 'all the major races' in Argentina.

And by the say, nobody runs for 'grade 1' races but British hurdlers and 'chasers. They run in 'Group 1' (Gruppo 1, etc.). The theory behind determining group and graded races is very different.

[Dahoss]

Finally the match up we've all been waiting for....Pedigree Ann vs. Riot.

Pass the popcorn.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Finally the match up we've all been waiting for....Pedigree Ann vs. Riot.

Pass the popcorn.

Really? What argument is there? She pointed out some countries that run big races on sand. That goes to your question. She and I agree on the dirt track base thing.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Riot

Really? What argument is there?

I must have missed saying there was an arguement. Could you point me to where I said that?

I was looking forward to two know it all blowhards strutting their stuff. I'm sure I'm not alone.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

And by the say, nobody runs for 'grade 1' races but British hurdlers and 'chasers. They run in 'Group 1' (Gruppo 1, etc.). The theory behind determining group and graded races is very different.

this was a perfect response to a Riot post. Great job.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this was a perfect response to a Riot post. Great job.

Except Riot didn't bring that up. It was Hoss who brought up Grade 1's (actually he initially called them elite races) run on synthetic.

I'm sure nobody here minds Ann pointing out they are correctly called Group races. I don't.