Shirreffs says Zenyatta deserves '10 Horse of the Year

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

The difference is those horses regularly competed against top-class runners on dirt. Zenyatta has compiled her record by mostly beating up on tin cans over a surface that will eventually be a footnote in racing history.

Notto mention the top class older males of that era were far superior to what passes for a handicap division now. If Alysheba were running today, Zenyatta would be on a farm in KY getting fat because there is zero chance that they would have tried horses of that class.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Notto mention the top class older males of that era were far superior to what passes for a handicap division now. If Alysheba were running today, Zenyatta would be on a farm in KY getting fat because there is zero chance that they would have tried horses of that class.

would you say the filly and mares are now the strength of racing the past decade or so?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

would you say the filly and mares are now the strength of racing the past decade or so?

Rachel Alexandra excluded....no.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Rachel Alexandra excluded....no.

I am trying hard to come up with a strength, at least the fillies last longer.


Is it the three year olds, such as Lookin at Lucky, Mine that Bird, Giacomo, D Tara?

[Indian Charlie]

Uncle Mo.

[letswastemoney]

Bayakoa competed some of the Southern California G1s. I don't remember which ones they were (SA Cap?, Pacific Classic? I don't know...) but I know she was in 1 or 2 of them and couldn't handle the competition...

which is fine. It was good to see her try.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I am trying hard to come up with a strength, at least the fillies last longer.


Is it the three year olds, such as Lookin at Lucky, Mine that Bird, Giacomo, D Tara?

I don't understand what you're getting at, other than the usual bad attempts at trying to be funny, as there were clearly some very good horses this decade.

Ghostzapper? Point Given? Tiznow? Bernardini? Invasor? There are more than a few others.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't understand what you're getting at, other than the usual bad attempts at trying to be funny, as there were clearly some very good horses this decade.

Ghostzapper? Point Given? Tiznow? Bernardini? Invasor? There are more than a few others.

English Channel? One hell of an American Turf horse.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

English Channel? One hell of an American Turf horse.

Somewhere GPK got his wings.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Rachel Alexandra excluded....no.

[Smooth Operator]

Yeah, must've been just chilling watching PE beat the miler and the 800-year-old G3 gelding in that '88 Whitney…

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Yeah, must've been just chilling watching PE beat the miler and the 800-year-old G3 gelding in that '88 Whitney…

Are you talking about King's Swan? If so....I am pretty sure he won multiple G2s that year, so I'm not exactly sure how that makes him a "G3 gelding."

Also, as for Gulch he won the Wood Memorial at 9f so it isn't like he couldn't get that distance. But even if you want to classify him as a "miler," is beating a really good miler going 9f that easy? It isn't like we are talking about beating a miler going 10+f.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

would you say the filly and mares are now the strength of racing the past decade or so?

I would say that it is hard to tell what the strength of American horses is. They don't run enough anymore. People are tricked into thinking a horse is better than they really are because of one or two races, usually against a watered down field. With the exception of the KY derby there is essentially no race that people won't duck.