10/9 (BEL): Champagne S., Frizette S., Jamaica H. (G1's)

[Indian Charlie]

Interesting Ragozin take on Uncle Mo.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...ne-stakes.aspx

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Interesting Ragozin take on Uncle Mo.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...ne-stakes.aspx

Always good to see their misinterpretations that have led to horses racing four times a year and once every two months during peak times.

Uncle Mo will likely run a lower fig because he earned his debut figure on a track playing very kindly to inside speed and is now stretching out a quarter of a mile on a fair racetrack. A lower fig with be neither a regression, nor a bounce, but a logical result of very different circumstances.

The hooey that has helped destroy high level racing. Then again, maybe some people think Blame benefited from his two months off after the Whitney.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Always good to see their misinterpretations that have led to horses racing four times a year and once every two months during peak times.

Uncle Mo will likely run a lower fig because he earned his debut figure on a track playing very kindly to inside speed and is now stretching out a quarter of a mile on a fair racetrack. A lower fig with be neither a regression, nor a bounce, but a logical result of very different circumstances.

The hooey that has helped destroy high level racing. Then again, maybe some people think Blame benefited from his two months off after the Whitney.

Yeah, I don't buy it either.

What's interesting to me is the amount of hype they are giving him.

Only 6 Derby winners in the last 20 years ran a Derby figure as good as his debut?

That seems retarded comparing a 2yo 6f msw to the Derby, but oh well.

I really do hope this horse holds up though, for obvious reasons.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Always good to see their misinterpretations that have led to horses racing four times a year and once every two months during peak times.

Uncle Mo will likely run a lower fig because he earned his debut figure on a track playing very kindly to inside speed and is now stretching out a quarter of a mile on a fair racetrack. A lower fig with be neither a regression, nor a bounce, but a logical result of very different circumstances.

The hooey that has helped destroy high level racing. Then again, maybe some people think Blame benefited from his two months off after the Whitney.

The saying should be, they just don't make trainers like they used to not horses.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

The saying should be, they just don't make trainers like they used to not horses.

Hard to argue with that.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Hard to argue with that.

or owners?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Always good to see their misinterpretations that have led to horses racing four times a year and once every two months during peak times.

Uncle Mo will likely run a lower fig because he earned his debut figure on a track playing very kindly to inside speed and is now stretching out a quarter of a mile on a fair racetrack. A lower fig with be neither a regression, nor a bounce, but a logical result of very different circumstances.

The hooey that has helped destroy high level racing. Then again, maybe some people think Blame benefited from his two months off after the Whitney.

Originally Posted by Sightseek

The saying should be, they just don't make trainers like they used to not horses.

What I don't get is why some trainer does not realize this and give some quality horses a solid campaign. Are they afraid to be criticized now for running their horses too much?

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by pointman

What I don't get is why some trainer does not realize this and give some quality horses a solid campaign. Are they afraid to be criticized now for running their horses too much?

I'm not a believer in bounce theory other than when a horse with some existing physical issues runs a huge race. IMO most figure fluctuations are related to trip, bias, pace, randomness, reversion to mean, etc....

However, I think it has always been well known that a long hard campaign will eventually wear a horse down or cause injuries to accumulate and sideline a horse. To some extent that's what form cycles are all about.

Aside from the influence of the Sheet and Thorograph players on the thinking about race spacing, bouncing etc... another factor contributing to the easier campaigns has been the Breeder's Cup.

The Breeder's Cup races are very rich, prestigious races and count for more in year end Eclipse Award voting than any other race during the year (other than perhaps the Derby) because of the depth of quality.

That motivates trainers and owners to aim their best horses for those late season races. Given that they know a hard campaign could cause their top horses to tail off or get injured by year end, they tend to look for easier more well spaced campaigns in a effort to keep their horses very fresh and more likely to be able to fire a peak on the right day.