The Death Penalty

[paisjpq]

totally against it...but not because i love people, or think its cruel etc. (quite the opposite actually, just like i think viscious animals w low possibility of rehabilitation should be put down I also think human predators should be disposed of) just simply because it is more expensive for taxpayers to kill someone than keep him/her alive in prison for life. I dont need the govt wasting any more of my money than possible.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

totally against it...but not because i love people, or think its cruel etc. (quite the opposite actually, just like i think viscious animals w low possibility of rehabilitation should be put down I also think human predators should be disposed of) just simply because it is more expensive for taxpayers to kill someone than keep him/her alive in prison for life. I dont need the govt wasting any more of my money than possible.

you're totally against it,except for vicious animals and human predators..

[clyde]

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[Nascar1966]

If the crime warrants the death penalty then give them death that the thug deserves.

[randallscott35]

Remember the only crime you can get it for and not in all states is 1st degree murder. Premeditated murder. The only rational reason against it is that you could make a mistake. Beth brings up a good point about cost but that isn't a reason to be against it. That can be fixed. Appeals can be limited. Time on death row can be limited, etc...From a moral point of view, I have no problem with it. The issue is you can't make a mistake and mistakes have happened. Now in the age of DNA, mistakes are much less likely to happen. So I support the death penalty with the caveat that you better be right...I'd be in favor of the death penalty for rape as well.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Remember the only crime you can get it for and not in all states is 1st degree murder. Premeditated murder. The only rational reason against it is that you could make a mistake. Beth brings up a good point about cost but that isn't a reason to be against it. That can be fixed. Appeals can be limited. Time on death row can be limited, etc...From a moral point of view, I have no problem with it. The issue is you can't make a mistake and mistakes have happened. Now in the age of DNA, mistakes are much less likely to happen. So I support the death penalty with the caveat that you better be right...I'd be in favor of the death penalty for rape as well.

joeydb made a good point as to why it can't be used for rape, it will just encourage the rapists to kill their victims as it makes it less likely they will be caught and the punishment would be the same.

Now if rapists were subject to castration, that is something I could support.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

joeydb made a good point as to why it can't be used for rape, it will just encourage the rapists to kill their victims as it makes it less likely they will be caught and the punishment would be the same.

I understand where you are coming from but not all rapists are murderers. I don't agree that people who do things like this would simply think ahead to the point of killing their victim.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

joeydb made a good point as to why it can't be used for rape, it will just encourage the rapists to kill their victims as it makes it less likely they will be caught and the punishment would be the same.

Now if rapists were subject to castration, that is something I could support.

Joey's point was a good one, though on the other hand you would think that knowing you will be put to death for rape or murder would maybe prevent people from committing the crime.

I'm all for castration for 1st degree sex offenders. (dont think a 18yo high school senior should be castrated for sleeping with his freshmen girlfriend).

They should make it as painful as possible too. (though that will never happen, since we cant even pour water over terrorists faces)

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

you're totally against it,except for vicious animals and human predators..

totally against the practice because it costs too much money (might as well let em rot in prison if its cheaper)....i am for the idea, there are people who have commited acts which (IMO) deserve the death penalty.
a little reading comprehension goes a long way.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

totally against the practice because it costs too much money (might as well let em rot in prison if its cheaper)....i am for the idea, there are people who have commited acts which (IMO) deserve the death penalty.
a little reading comprehension goes a long way.

That's the first time I've ever heard "too expensive" as a reason for not using the death penalty. A little word comprehension goes a long way too

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

That's the first time I've ever heard "too expensive" as a reason for not using the death penalty. A little word comprehension goes a long way too

there are more than just morality issues surrounding the death penalty...people just tend not to talk about them.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

there are more than just morality issues surrounding the death penalty...people just tend not to talk about them.

....of course.

[clyde]

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[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

That's the first time I've ever heard "too expensive" as a reason for not using the death penalty. A little word comprehension goes a long way too

i used it in the post right above hers. Its WAY too much of a burden on taxpayers.. I imagine killing someone could be pretty cheap.. but all the appeals add up too high.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

totally against it...but not because i love people, or think its cruel etc. (quite the opposite actually, just like i think viscious animals w low possibility of rehabilitation should be put down I also think human predators should be disposed of) just simply because it is more expensive for taxpayers to kill someone than keep him/her alive in prison for life. I dont need the govt wasting any more of my money than possible.

Don't you think the government is wasting money on all the thugs who were sentenced to life in prison when they might deserve the death penalty?

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Don't you think the government is wasting money on all the thugs who were sentenced to life in prison when they might deserve the death penalty?

cost to house an inmate for life is less than cost of current rights for capital convictions to court appeals. if you want to make the us govt like the taliban and stone people without delay be my guest...but i dont see that working here.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

cost to house an inmate for life is less than cost of current rights for capital convictions to court appeals. if you want to make the us govt like the taliban and stone people without delay be my guest...but i dont see that working here.

Exactly.
And it is seems fine to some when people say stuff like "speed up the process" or "limit the appeals," but when you see the staggering number of people who have been convicted and sentenced to death row....only to be proven innocent later, that gets harder and harder (for a thinking person) to say. The appeals are there for a reason, and I firmly believe that as long as the death penalty exists, it is a good thing that the process takes as long as it does.

[randallscott35]

I should have been more specific. I wasn't talking about all forms of rape. It will never happen, just something I believe in.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Exactly.
And it is seems fine to some when people say stuff like "speed up the process" or "limit the appeals," but when you see the staggering number of people who have been convicted and sentenced to death row....only to be proven innocent later, that gets harder and harder (for a thinking person) to say. The appeals are there for a reason, and I firmly believe that as long as the death penalty exists, it is a good thing that the process takes as long as it does.

while I agree with this somewhat, in the past 10 years or so DNA has become much more of an exact science. I lbelieve DNA proves way beyond any reasonable doubt, since two people never have the same DNA (maybe identicle twins do? I dunno). If DNA proves, speed up the process and save the

Remember back in OJ's trail that DNA seemed like nothing? Oh Ron Goldmans DNA was found in OJ's car! no big deal! he's not guilty!

[Danzig]

against it for all the reasons cited. the state shouldnt be in the killing business. have also read that a life sentence is cheaper. death sentences drag on for years so they avoid any chance of a mistake.