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[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

My number could be a little high. Myabe Z ran a 112 that day.

Brownie Points was a pretty nice honest horse who normally fired the same type of race.



I guess its possible that both Randy Moss and Equibase got the time wrong, and that BP could have ran one standout huge figure over the course of her career that happened to come while getting absolutely crushed by a better horse - but I doubt it.

The 2010 Apple Blossom performance by Zenyatta was more recent and less impressive imo.. and it was followed up with two near photo finish wins.

[Merlinsky]

DrugS, how'd you expect Azeri to do vs her 5th place Classic finish and how'd you think she'd have fared in the 2002 BCC field rather than the Distaff? I remember the good old days when we were yelling about her 2002/2003 redundant schedule instead of Zenyatta's. Azeri came east for multiple G1 wins at 6, but got HOY the year she stayed in CA. Of course she did those races on dirt.

Here's a question for everybody: would Zenyatta have swayed more voters for HOY if she'd done her campaign on CA dirt tracks? Would we be talking about quality of field or even failing to race the season in open company as much if there'd been that dirt surface? I know there was some discussion even in Azeri's situation, but she still won the award. She didn't have a Rachel in the East though, but I do wonder how much of the vote went Rachel's way for Rachel's sake, and how much was anti-synthetic. We all seem to agree Zenyatta's better on dirt. I'm sure the performances would've been flashier. There'd be no 'but she barely beat Anabaa's Creation.' Of course, as our ol' pal Rupert pointed out, the foes coming from East to West might've been different because horses liked coming out for G1s, the problem being it was G1s on dirt that they'd rather come for. Assume the opponents wouldn't be different, though, for the purposes of this question.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

DrugS, how'd you expect Azeri to do vs her 5th place Classic finish and how'd you think she'd have fared in the 2002 BCC field rather than the Distaff?

I thought Lukas was out of his mind for running her in the BC Classic. That was a brutal field in the Classic and the Distaff was subpar that year.

While a much better horse than Volponi - I don't think she beats Volponi in the BC Classic if she goes there the prior year.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Brownie Points was a pretty nice honest horse who normally fired the same type of race.



I guess its possible that both Randy Moss and Equibase got the time wrong, and that BP could have ran one standout huge figure over the course of her career that happened to come while getting absolutely crushed by a better horse - but I doubt it.

The 2010 Apple Blossom performance by Zenyatta was more recent and less impressive imo.. and it was followed up with two near photo finish wins.

Brownie Points came back and won a couple of stakes races after the Apple Blossom. She was obviously in good form at the time. She won a grade III in her very next start.