Vaccines are NOT safe for children

[Indian Charlie]

Vaccines are a moot point, since they do not work.

Disease rates were already falling, with many nearly wiped out before their 'miracle' shot(s) was even invented.

Said diseases, when their vaccine was introduced, typically went up for a few years. That statistics on this are readily available and can be dug up with little effort, for those that don't have their minds already sealed shut.

Here's a fun little known tidbit. If you remove infant mortality out of the average life expectancy calculation, people in this country were actually living longer in 1900 than in 2000.

Truly the weirdest single thing about our health care system is how desperate everyone is to have it. What's weird about that is that EVERYONE knows the system is corrupt and broken. Everyone knows that people are suffering from more diseases and are generally more miserable than they were just 20 to 30 years ago, yet everyone is terrified to the possibility that our medical system is, at best, a complete failure (or at worst, a terrible fraud).

Autism up. Cancers up. Cardiovascular 'disease' up. Obesity up. Psych problems up and on and on and on it goes. Anyone with any foresight can see the direction things are headed.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Vaccines are a moot point, since they do not work.

Disease rates were already falling, with many nearly wiped out before their 'miracle' shot(s) was even invented.

Said diseases, when their vaccine was introduced, typically went up for a few years. That statistics on this are readily available and can be dug up with little effort, for those that don't have their minds already sealed shut.

Here's a fun little known tidbit. If you remove infant mortality out of the average life expectancy calculation, people in this country were actually living longer in 1900 than in 2000.

Truly the weirdest single thing about our health care system is how desperate everyone is to have it. What's weird about that is that EVERYONE knows the system is corrupt and broken. Everyone knows that people are suffering from more diseases and are generally more miserable than they were just 20 to 30 years ago, yet everyone is terrified to the possibility that our medical system is, at best, a complete failure (or at worst, a terrible fraud).

Autism up. Cancers up. Cardiovascular 'disease' up. Obesity up. Psych problems up and on and on and on it goes. Anyone with any foresight can see the direction things are headed.

Hum. Maybe there actually is something to Golfer's claim that the gub'ment is secretly putting stuff in vaccines in order to make citizens dumber.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Riot

Hum. Maybe there actually is something to Golfer's claim that the gub'ment is secretly putting stuff in vaccines in order to make citizens dumber.

I love love love this sort of counter argument that proponents of vaccines use.

"Well, I can't dispute what he's saying with real fact, so lets mock him and make him look like a nut case".

In your case however, clearly that stuff they are putting in vaccines to make people dumber seems to have worked.

Nice, huh?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I love love love this sort of counter argument that proponents of vaccines use.

"Well, I can't dispute what he's saying with real fact, so lets mock him and make him look like a nut case".

In your case however, clearly that stuff they are putting in vaccines to make people dumber seems to have worked.

Nice, huh?

Go take an Immunology 101 course and get back to me.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Riot

Go take an Immunology 101 course and get back to me.

Already done.

Take off the blinders and do research yourself, instead of taking for gospel everything you are taught.

Then get back to me.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Vaccines are a moot point, since they do not work.

Disease rates were already falling, with many nearly wiped out before their 'miracle' shot(s) was even invented.

Said diseases, when their vaccine was introduced, typically went up for a few years. That statistics on this are readily available and can be dug up with little effort, for those that don't have their minds already sealed shut.

Here's a fun little known tidbit. If you remove infant mortality out of the average life expectancy calculation, people in this country were actually living longer in 1900 than in 2000.

Truly the weirdest single thing about our health care system is how desperate everyone is to have it. What's weird about that is that EVERYONE knows the system is corrupt and broken. Everyone knows that people are suffering from more diseases and are generally more miserable than they were just 20 to 30 years ago, yet everyone is terrified to the possibility that our medical system is, at best, a complete failure (or at worst, a terrible fraud).

Autism up. Cancers up. Cardiovascular 'disease' up. Obesity up. Psych problems up and on and on and on it goes. Anyone with any foresight can see the direction things are headed.

If all they did was not work, they would be moot, but the link between thimerisol and autism is undeniable (for those of us who don't already know everything).

But wait, according to a link above, the government says vaccines are safe, so I guess skeptics and conspiracy "nuts" like myself and Robert Kennedy Jr are wrong.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by golfer

If all they did was not work, they would be moot, but the link between thimerisol and autism is undeniable (for those of us who don't already know everything).

But wait, according to a link above, the government says vaccines are safe, so I guess skeptics and conspiracy "nuts" like myself and Robert Kennedy Jr are wrong.

Moot was a poor choice of word, sorry.

I myself am fully immersed in the thimerisol topic, as I've had my entire life dealing with its side effects. After nearly being killed (literally) by a medical test to see how much mercury I had in me (over 10x the safe amount), I had to learn how this stuff got in me, and how to get it out. This while being bedridden and suffering from all sorts of horrific things that happened to me as a result of this test.

While researching all of this, I came across a group of people following a protocol that thousands upon thousands of parents used to either CURE or greatly reverse their childrens autism. The core part of the protocol was to remove mercury. I cannot tell you how many first hand instances I've read where a parent takes their kid to the doctor, kid gets immunized and within hours, the kids life falls apart and is never the same.

I've given a couple of lectures locally on my experiences with this and it's really astonishing how badly people are misinformed. While being received surprisingly well, the questions I got were pretty sad. Things like "What about mercury in fish?" and "Would the government really allow this to happen?". It is extremely gratifying when people open their minds enough to let real facts, and not marketing hype, start to let them see things for what they really are.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I've given a couple of lectures locally on my experiences with this and it's really astonishing how badly people are misinformed.

Yeah, people that insist upon evidence-based science really can put a kink into a good theory

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah, people that insist upon evidence-based science really can put a kink into a good theory

I can bury you in science based proof.

Not make believe scientific studies funded by pharma.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I can bury you in science based proof.
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Alas, no. Only the true believers can see the truth in this one

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Alas, no. Only the true believers can see the truth in this one

Oh yeah, flouride worked SO well for us didn't it!

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Riot

Alas, no. Only the true believers can see the truth in this one

No, I cannot bury you with scientific proof?

Or no, as in, "No no no no no! I will not hear you!" type of no?

Or no, as in "If he's right, that means everything I believe and everything I've been educated in is a lie" type of no?

Or no, as in "if I keep using icons in my posts, that will prove that all beliefs are just!"

Or no, as in "I no longer have the capacity to think for myself"?

Or is there some other meaning I'm not getting?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I myself am fully immersed in the thimerisol topic, .

Then at least spell it correctly, okay?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then at least spell it correctly, okay?

Exactly.

If that's the best you can do to dispute what I'm saying, thank you.

Sorry for the early morning typo there.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by golfer

If all they did was not work, they would be moot, but the link between thimerisol and autism is undeniable (for those of us who don't already know everything).

But wait, according to a link above, the government says vaccines are safe, so I guess skeptics and conspiracy "nuts" like myself and Robert Kennedy Jr are wrong.

Yes, it's pretty nuts to say "vaccines don't work". Let alone believe and post here that the government is purposely putting poisons in vaccines to dumb us down.

The link between thimerosol and autism was suspected as theoretical based upon toxicology data but now is considered non-existent (certainly you've read the latest study out this year?)

And you are trashing vaccines that are thimerosol-free.

Carry on with the conspiracy theories

[joeydb]

The evidence for a conspiracy is quite clear. We have been doing vaccinations for many years -- the polio vaccine in 1952 is one famous example. Yet a lot of people have died since 1952.

In fact, 1% of the population on average dies every year! That's 3,000,000 people in America alone.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

The evidence for a conspiracy is quite clear. We have been doing vaccinations for many years -- the polio vaccine in 1952 is one famous example. Yet a lot of people have died since 1952.

In fact, 1% of the population on average dies every year! That's 3,000,000 people in America alone.

Aliens. Roswell, New Mexico. The doubters have no facts to disprove the aliens have caused this.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Aliens. Roswell, New Mexico. The doubters have no facts to disprove the aliens have caused this.

Yeah, it's like "Just because I'm paranoid, that doesn't mean that they aren't all out to get me."

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Autism up.[B

Cancers up.[/b] Cardiovascular 'disease' up. Obesity up. Psych problems up and on and on and on it goes. Anyone with any foresight can see the direction things are headed.

Anyone with some objectivity - rather than fear and rumor - can put it in perspective.

WEDNESDAY, July 7 (HealthDay News) -- The number of deaths due to cancer continues to decline in the United States, according to new statistics from the American Cancer Society.

In fact, the downward trend, which began in the early 1990s, means about 767,000 fewer deaths from cancer over the past two decades, according to society estimates.

The report finds that the death rate from cancer overall in the United States in 2007 was 178.4 per 100,000 people -- a drop of 1.3 percent from the previous year.

This decline continues a trend that started in 1991 for men and in 1992 for women. Since that time, death rates have fallen 21 percent among men and 12 percent among women, the report says.

"Cancer death rates continue to decrease because of prevention, early detection and improved treatment," said lead researcher Dr. Ahmedin Jemal, the strategic director for cancer occurrence at the society.

"The decline in cancer incidence and mortality among the U.S. population is a positive sign that public health campaigns and public policy regarding smoking, and greater utilization of and stricter guidelines for cancer screenings are working," agreed Monique N. Hernandez, a senior research analyst at the Florida Cancer Data System at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine.

For 2010, the cancer society predicts 1,529,560 new cancer cases (789,620 in men and 739,940 in women) and 569,490 cancer deaths (299,200 in men and 270,290 in women).

As before, lung cancer remains the biggest cancer killer of both men and women. For men, the next biggest killers are cancers of the prostate and colon. For women, breast and colon that are the second and third most lethal cancers by number.

Overall, these cancers account for 50 percent of all cancer deaths among men and women, the report found

And while cancer is on the retreat, the good news hasn't affected all Americans equally. Indeed, the report found that black men are 14 percent more likely to get cancer and 34 percent more likely to die than white men, while black women have a 7 percent lower cancer rate overall but are 17 percent more likely to die than white women.

To help eliminate those disparities, Hernandez believes that experts and policymakers "must move beyond traditional behavioral explanations, such as individual smoking habits and screening utilization, and encompass aspects of the social, political, and economic contexts of health, which are also heavily variable by geography."

Of course that last part feeds into Obama's socialist, government-run death panel health care government telling us what to do regarding health. Who will they come for, first?

[Honu]

You know why the hell does anyone need the government to tell them what is good or not what is healthy or not. There is enough information out there from doctors and just basic common sense that it just seems absurd to me that we need the federal government to tell us what is what . Is there not anyone who cant think for themselves and make choices to live? Really how dumb are we that we need a government run agency or program to tell us that smoking, eating till your gut is stuffed and drinking all day and night is bad. I guess I just wonder how far the good in all the governments care for us will go, will they some day decide that if you partake of some of the bad things that you wont be eligible for their health care? Just wondering.
If it hasnt dawned on anyone Americans are choosing to eat fast food and fatten their kids up because they are lazy, they have no desire to buy whole foods and cook them so who gives a sh it that they want to kill themselves let them die less of a burden on the sysytem. Really it doesnt take a rocket scientist or a governement agency for people to know that they are fat lazy azzes and choose to be that way so let em, so far its a free country.