Nick Canani at Arlington

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Scav

The one thing about about was that he didn't have any physical issues, he was pretty sound. The allowance part is exactly what I have said.

Calabrese doesn't get major move ups, maybe 1-2 pts. He runs them through conditions and they get sold, pretty simple. It isn't like they are running 10's on the sheets and then pop with a 2 or 3 like Wolfson or Dutrow

And when he does get huge move ups, it doesn't happen with the kind of frequency where it actually becomes a pattern that seems to be problematic. It happens every so often, but it happens to every trainer every so often, too.

The wagering can suck with Canani runners in the races, but I've got no real beef outside of that with the game they play. And for as bad as that can be for the wagering, at least he's out running his horses and helping fill races, for better or worse, unlike lots of guys on the backside.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

And when he does get huge move ups, it doesn't happen with the kind of frequency where it actually becomes a pattern that seems to be problematic. It happens every so often, but it happens to every trainer every so often, too.

The wagering can suck with Canani runners in the races, but I've got no real beef outside of that with the game they play. And for as bad as that can be for the wagering, at least he's out running his horses and helping fill races, for better or worse, unlike lots of guys on the backside.

Who the hell put this moronic idea in your head?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

And when he does get huge move ups, it doesn't happen with the kind of frequency where it actually becomes a pattern that seems to be problematic. It happens every so often, but it happens to every trainer every so often, too.

The wagering can suck with Canani runners in the races, but I've got no real beef outside of that with the game they play. And for as bad as that can be for the wagering, at least he's out running his horses and helping fill races, for better or worse, unlike lots of guys on the backside.

1) Trainers/Owners/Barns do not make money unless they run

2) I know for fact that one of the top trainers by wins entered EIGHT horses for July 1st, less then half got in

3) I know for fact that Chuck has been entering Normanruth for two weeks in a two turn allowance nw1 race, it gets three horses, if he is lucky....

4) The races being WRITTEN are finally for horses that are actually on the grounds, including the plethora of 2 year olds, they finally put more then 1 of those in the book, and wouldn't you know, they fill.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Scav

1) Trainers/Owners/Barns do not make money unless they run

2) I know for fact that one of the top trainers by wins entered EIGHT horses for July 1st, less then half got in

3) I know for fact that Chuck has been entering Normanruth for two weeks in a two turn allowance nw1 race, it gets three horses, if he is lucky....

4) The races being WRITTEN are finally for horses that are actually on the grounds, including the plethora of 2 year olds, they finally put more then 1 of those in the book, and wouldn't you know, they fill.

Don't numbers 2 and 3 suggest that some barns aren't "helping fill races"?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Don't numbers 2 and 3 suggest that some barns aren't "helping fill races"?

I can understand your point, that they are not entering in the 'correct' spot. But if you are entering 8 different horses in races, how isn't that helping out?

Specific to Normanruth, where do you go with him? He almost ran in the Hashin but caught a minor issue, and he needs a route of ground. They do not write a 50nw2. Anything less he would get claimed and that isn't the goal.

It isn't like he is a 7.5k claimer and could be put until a 5k or 10k claimer. I get that. He is an allowance horse.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Scav

I can understand your point, that they are not entering in the 'correct' spot. But if you are entering 8 different horses in races, how isn't that helping out?

Specific to Normanruth, where do you go with him? He almost ran in the Hashin but caught a minor issue, and he needs a route of ground. They do not write a 50nw2. Anything less he would get claimed and that isn't the goal.

It isn't like he is a 7.5k claimer and could be put until a 5k or 10k claimer. I get that. He is an allowance horse.

The guy entering 8 horses, as you said, is making an effort. I was trying to point out why are the races he's entering not going? Maybe brianspencer has a point saying that some barns are too "inactive".

The same can be said on the situation you describe with Normanruth. How does a first level allowance not fill?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The guy entering 8 horses, as you said, is making an effort. I was trying to point out why are the races he's entering not going? Maybe brianspencer has a point saying that some barns are too "inactive".

The same can be said on the situation you describe with Normanruth. How does a first level allowance not fill?

There are no horses here...they are all babies and nickel claimers. Guys that had 10 horses last year have 5, guys that had 20 have 10.

It might get better with Churchill closing but I doubt it, Ellis Park supposedly cut dates and raised purses, trying the Monmouth route, at least that is what I heard.

People are trying, they are putting 30 extras up a night and it isn't uncommon for them to add races at 11am when they see they are gonna be there to 7pm

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The guy entering 8 horses, as you said, is making an effort. I was trying to point out why are the races he's entering not going? Maybe brianspencer has a point saying that some barns are too "inactive".

The same can be said on the situation you describe with Normanruth. How does a first level allowance not fill?

All due respect to Brian, but what is the motivation for a barn to be "inactive'?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by GBBob

All due respect to Brian, but what is the motivation for a barn to be "inactive'?

In general:

Achieve high win and ITM percentages
Maximize time off between races
Land in softest spots possible

[The Bid]

The only motivation for inactivity is milking day bill.

Sucks when they don't fill and you're ready to go. You can always let them hustle the allowance horse into a 10000 2l. Just let me know before you do it!