Ahhhhh she did it!!!!

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why? What can happen in November?

Cannon,

It's one person's opinion but coming from Steve Davidowitz, you listen.

I believe for an absolute certainty that Zenyatta’s Vanity run reinforced the notion that she is the best race mare of my lifetime, if not one of the top horses of any age or sex since Secretariat, Affirmed, Seattle Slew, Ruffian and Spectacular Bid were dominating the 1970s.

Here's the entire read: http://beat.bodoglife.com/horseracin...ces-90865.html

*looks for vomit emoticon*

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by CSC

Cannon,

It's one person's opinion but coming from Steve Davidowitz, you listen.

I believe for an absolute certainty that Zenyatta’s Vanity run reinforced the notion that she is the best race mare of my lifetime, if not one of the top horses of any age or sex since Secretariat, Affirmed, Seattle Slew, Ruffian and Spectacular Bid were dominating the 1970s.

Wow. What a tard. A complete and utter tard.

That's tardiness beyond even what you and Prostate Operator are capable of.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

Cannon,

It's one person's opinion but coming from Steve Davidowitz, you listen.

I believe for an absolute certainty that Zenyatta’s Vanity run reinforced the notion that she is the best race mare of my lifetime, if not one of the top horses of any age or sex since Secretariat, Affirmed, Seattle Slew, Ruffian and Spectacular Bid were dominating the 1970s.

Here's the entire read: http://beat.bodoglife.com/horseracin...ces-90865.html

all i can say is he must be very, very young. no, really, i have no idea how old he is....i do know he's giving new meaning to the word 'hyperbole'. i think she's good, very good actually. best race mare? no. not of my lifetime, of a three month olds lifetime, maybe. one of the top horses since those in the '70's??? i guess it depends on how long of a list you make.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Danzig

all i can say is he must be very, very young. no, really, i have no idea how old he is....i do know he's giving new meaning to the word 'hyperbole'. i think she's good, very good actually. best race mare? no. not of my lifetime, of a three month olds lifetime, maybe. one of the top horses since those in the '70's??? i guess it depends on how long of a list you make.

He's old. He's lost it. Or never had it.

[DaTruth]

So Z is better than Azeri, Bayakoa, Bold N' Determined, Go For Wand, Inside Information, Lady's Secret, Melair, Paseana, Personal Ensign, Princess Rooney, Riboletta, and Serena's Song? That is nuts.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

So Z is better than Azeri, Bayakoa, Bold N' Determined, Go For Wand, Inside Information, Lady's Secret, Melair, Paseana, Personal Ensign, Princess Rooney, Riboletta, and Serena's Song? That is nuts.

Maybe, No way, maybe, No way, No Way, No way, NO, Yes, no, No Way, probably not and maybe.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

So Z is better than Azeri, Bayakoa, Bold N' Determined, Go For Wand, Inside Information, Lady's Secret, Melair, Paseana, Personal Ensign, Princess Rooney, Riboletta, and Serena's Song? That is nuts.

I think she can certainly be mentioned with those and i think you could make a valid argument that she is better than at least some of those. No?

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I think she can certainly be mentioned with those and i think you could make a valid argument that she is better than at least some of those. No?

The only ones that I would definitely mention her with are Serena's Song and Melair, but it is arguable whether she is better than Serena's Song. I will concede on Melair because her career was so short and she may have fizzled over time. The same goes for Rachel Alexandra in regards to the horses that I listed.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

The only ones that I would definitely mention her with are Serena's Song and Melair, but it is arguable whether she is better than Serena's Song. I will concede on Melair because her career was so short and she may have fizzled over time. The same goes for Rachel Alexandra in regards to the horses that I listed.

How is Azeri better? I loved Azeri but i don't think you can stack her resume up against Zenyatta's.

Azeri never beat boys and she didnt win the BC classic.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I think she can certainly be mentioned with those and i think you could make a valid argument that she is better than at least some of those. No?

maybe she is, maybe she isn't. hard to say. but i think, based on what she's done, that those putting her in such rarified air as mr. davidowitz has, is really just unbelievable.

[DaTruth]

Those who argue for Zenyatta's greatness often point to her win in the BCC. The problem with that is that when the BC was run at Santa Anita, it was not a true dirt test, as indicated by Euros running 1-2 in 2008 and Gio Ponti and a Euro running 2-3 last year.

Z's connections are doing a disservice with their creampuff schedule. I would respect her more if she came East and ran close LOSING efforts in the Whitney or Woodward or JCGC and in the BCCC than for any of her prior wins.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

So Z is better than Azeri, Bayakoa, Bold N' Determined, Go For Wand, Inside Information, Lady's Secret, Melair, Paseana, Personal Ensign, Princess Rooney, Riboletta, and Serena's Song? That is nuts.

thing is, when people say one of the best ever, i think they say that without thinking about the list of those that came before. after all, once you start giving details (devil's in the details) then it really starts sounding silly.

zenyatta has one hell of a win streak going...but i'm surprised that many talk about her streak in the context of pepper's pride-yet no one hesitated to mention her being on par with cigar...even worse, with citation. citation beat some incredibly talented horses to get that streak. her being mentioned in that respect (or more laughably so when they mentioned even man o war and secretariat couldn't boast a streak so long) is absolute blasphemy! it has taken her years to get this streak, with all but one race being in restricted stakes!! big cy won one of his races early on in his three year old season, pre-tc races, versus the previous years horse of the year, armed. he won the t.c., along with a race between the preakness and belmont, en route to that streak.

and now this? it's utterly laughable. trying to create a modern day superhorse is understandable, but it's far from realistic-especially when you start digging below the surface.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

So Z is better than Azeri, Bayakoa, Bold N' Determined, Go For Wand, Inside Information, Lady's Secret, Melair, Paseana, Personal Ensign, Princess Rooney, Riboletta, and Serena's Song? That is nuts.

I've seen them all and would like to see that race.

17 times Zenyatta has found a way to get to the wire and if she were to race against this group I think she would be in the photo for the the win.

[letswastemoney]

How good is St. Trinians if you believe Zenyatta would beat all of those great fillies/mares?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

How good is St. Trinians if you believe Zenyatta would beat all of those great fillies/mares?

well, st did beat life is sweet once...

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

17 times Zenyatta has found a way to get to the wire and if she were to race against this group I think she would be in the photo for the the win.

Only if the race was on a synthetic surface.

[TitanSooner]

[dean smith]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

I've seen them all and would like to see that race.

17 times Zenyatta has found a way to get to the wire and if she were to race against this group I think she would be in the photo for the the win.

17 times. A deep closer. Has never taken a day off. Has never "just not fired." Has never been a pace victim. Loses ground on every turn for home. Still runs them down like dogs. Like dirty dogs. 17 times. In a row. That's every time she's raced. Man, this horse is terrible.

It seems like the RA fans (of which I'm one as well) really want to meet Zenyatta, as long as it's under their terms, of course: dirt, X amount of panels, out East, when RA's fit enough, etc. Rachel was electrifying last year, but you have to respect Zenyatta for what she is. She's a fire-breathing monster.

And some clown counters Steve "F******" Davidovitz's opinion with a dozen females better than her in the past thirty years? Child, please. That's just rabid RA fandomness.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by dean smith

And some clown counters Steve "F******" Davidovitz's opinion with a dozen females better than her in the past thirty years? Child, please. That's just rabid RA fandomness.

Now you have an idea what I have had to put up with around here.