The "New" Pac-10?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Kansas go to the Mountain West, and Izzo takes the Cleveland job, MSU will court Self.

Why would Self leave Kansas for another college job?

[slotdirt]

Memphis has to be psyched about these machinations. I'd have to imagine they'll end up in a better situation than CUSA when all of this is said and done.

I'm surprised the Texas schools are going to be allowed to leave the Big 12 without Baylor. Very surprised.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

Why would Self leave Kansas for another college job?

If Kansas is forced to play in the Mountain West in basketball they will have a hard time keep their place on the national scene. MW has a bad tv contract (cstv- which virtually no one gets), Kansas will now have to play 2 games a year against Air Force, TCU, SD State, Colorado State, Wyoming, etc.

While they can still play a tough out of conference schedule, they are going to be a tough sell to A level recruits who want to play on the big stage. It isn't as though they will fall off the face of the earth but the revenues will surely be slashed and they may not be able to afford paying guys like Self the amount of money that he makes.

[slotdirt]

I think the scenario Cannon is describing would happen over the course of like 50 years. Kansas has probably THE biggest college hoops alumni fanbase outside of Carolina maybe, and those fools travel. Kansas could play the sisters of the poor for years on end and still get the Collisons and Rushes and Collins of the world to come there. Besides, is playing Air Force, San Diego State, and Wyoming really any worse than the usual slate of Iowa State, Nebraska, and Colorado? I'd argue those three teams in particular are actually better.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I think the scenario Cannon is describing would happen over the course of like 50 years. Kansas has probably THE biggest college hoops alumni fanbase outside of Carolina maybe, and those fools travel. Kansas could play the sisters of the poor for years on end and still get the Collisons and Rushes and Collins of the world to come there. Besides, is playing Air Force, San Diego State, and Wyoming really any worse than the usual slate of Iowa State, Nebraska, and Colorado? I'd argue those three teams in particular are actually better.

Kansas will not get the recruits if your forced not to be able to start any conference game before 9pm central time. Its just not going to happen.

Add: One little mistake

How can it be called PAC with those teams?

Why don't they just make 4 super conferences and name them after the Beatles?

[slotdirt]

Why would you want to start a game before 9:00 a.m. Central time?

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Why would you want to start a game before 9:00 a.m. Central time?

There's something called TV exposure.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

There's something called TV exposure.

I think his question was the whole AM/PM thing.

you probably meant PM and not AM

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I think the scenario Cannon is describing would happen over the course of like 50 years. Kansas has probably THE biggest college hoops alumni fanbase outside of Carolina maybe, and those fools travel. Kansas could play the sisters of the poor for years on end and still get the Collisons and Rushes and Collins of the world to come there. Besides, is playing Air Force, San Diego State, and Wyoming really any worse than the usual slate of Iowa State, Nebraska, and Colorado? I'd argue those three teams in particular are actually better.

You are confusing attendance at games with things that really matter. You think that Kansas versus AF at 10p eastern on CSTV is going to attract kids? You think they will maintain the athletic budget playing in a non BCS conference? Think they will miss the football revenue that they received from Texas and Oklahoma and Nebraska and the rest of the football powers in the Big 12?

Perhaps what Kansas would do is become an Independent in mens basketball like Notre Dame, make their own tv deal and play a national schedule?

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are confusing attendance at games with things that really matter. You think that Kansas versus AF at 10p eastern on CSTV is going to attract kids? You think they will maintain the athletic budget playing in a non BCS conference? Think they will miss the football revenue that they received from Texas and Oklahoma and Nebraska and the rest of the football powers in the Big 12?

Perhaps what Kansas would do is become an Independent in mens basketball like Notre Dame, make their own tv deal and play a national schedule?

Who says a conference with Kansas/Kansas State/Iowa State, etc. in it would still be on CSTV? The PAC 10 has had a stupid contract with a Fox Sports Network that absolutely nobody watches for eons and that doesn't seem to have hurt recruiting at UCLA.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Who says a conference with Kansas/Kansas State/Iowa State, etc. in it would still be on CSTV? The PAC 10 has had a stupid contract with a Fox Sports Network that absolutely nobody watches for eons and that doesn't seem to have hurt recruiting at UCLA.

The Fox contract runs out which is why the Pac 10 is moving so swiftly. The vast majority of UCLA's best players the last 10 years are from Southern CA. That is not a coincidence.

[slotdirt]

I'm not missing any point. I get it's about money. I understand that is why Kansas and Missouri are getting left behind on the football side. That being said, it's absolutely foolish to suggest that Kansas and Missouri and those couple other schools are going to end up in a conference that doesn't have a major television package when all of this is said and done.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm not missing any point. I get it's about money. I understand that is why Kansas and Missouri are getting left behind on the football side. That being said, it's absolutely foolish to suggest that Kansas and Missouri and those couple other schools are going to end up in a conference that doesn't have a major television package when all of this is said and done.

What conference do you think they are going to if the Big 12 continues to fall apart? It isn't foolish, it is reality.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp

[slotdirt]

Ok, let me type this again:

I'm not suggesting KU/K-State/ISU/Mizzou are going to a conference that CURRENTLY has some big major television package (though I've read rumors that a Kansas-Big East discussion is ongoing), I'm suggesting that whatever conference those four plus Baylor end up in if this plays out the way it looks it might will absolutely, no doubt about it, have a major television package for, at the very minimum, college basketball.

The end.