Zito Comes to His Senses

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Bernardini doesn't have to win this. I still think 10 panels is not Sun King's game, but they don't have a flat mile race in the BC which is what they should have.

I love mile races, and agree that Sun King is probably best suited to that distance, but there are two major problems with having a mile dirt race in the BC. One is that many tracks can't even run the distance ( and there is a significant difference between one and two turn miles ) But, I think the biggest problem is it will detract from and dilute the other races.

I think the Met Mile and the Cigar Mile are the two best stakes of the year in NY ( though the Whitney seems to be the most exciting year in and year out ).

One thing about Sun King and 1 1/4, while I tend to agree with you, he hasn't gone that far since recently elevating his game. His races in the Commonwealth, Met, Whitney and probably even the Woodward are arguably the best races he has ever run. He may just be at the top of his game.

[Seattleallstar]

SUn King is a born loser, a hanger with no heart and class, During his 3 yr old yr he could compete with the best but barely win at the group 1 level

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

SUn King is a born loser

So, you and he do have something in common then!

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Seattle, don't talk about my man Sun King like that
He is very classy.

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

If he's running because Invasor is not, then the BC Classic should be out of the question. That race will be 5 x's as tough

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

SUn King is a born loser, a hanger with no heart and class, During his 3 yr old yr he could compete with the best but barely win at the group 1 level

Jerry how ironic is it that the quote that you apply here, no heart and class, applies quite well to someone I know.

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Jerry how ironic is it that the quote that you apply here, no heart and class, applies quite well to someone I know.

like you can talk

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

like you can talk

I can talk plenty Jerry, plenty.
Would you like me to once again post the famous posts and declarations and quotes you have made about horses who went on to win grade ones and even become champions?
I will give you a choice.
yes or no?

[Seattleallstar]

legal precedent, my typhoon among others, and that 4 million dollar turf filly that Bill Mott trained a few years ago

[slotdirt]

Sun King has won multiple graded races, including one this year. I don't think he's quite to Perfect Drift level yet.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I love mile races, and agree that Sun King is probably best suited to that distance, but there are two major problems with having a mile dirt race in the BC. One is that many tracks can't even run the distance ( and there is a significant difference between one and two turn miles ) But, I think the biggest problem is it will detract from and dilute the other races.

I think the Met Mile and the Cigar Mile are the two best stakes of the year in NY ( though the Whitney seems to be the most exciting year in and year out ).

One thing about Sun King and 1 1/4, while I tend to agree with you, he hasn't gone that far since recently elevating his game. His races in the Commonwealth, Met, Whitney and probably even the Woodward are arguably the best races he has ever run. He may just be at the top of his game.

I don't know. I personally think Sun King just may be more than ready to tackle 10fs. Look at the way he was charging down the stretch in both the Whitney and the Woodward, if both of them had been 1 1/4 I think he may would have won them. He just may relish the extra distance. Sort of reminds me of Victory Gallop and 1 1/2. Was always just short and charging but with that extra distance he was able to pull it out.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by boswd

I don't know. I personally think Sun King just may be more than ready to tackle 10fs. Look at the way he was charging down the stretch in both the Whitney and the Woodward, if both of them had been 1 1/4 I think he may would have won them. He just may relish the extra distance. Sort of reminds me of Victory Gallop and 1 1/2. Was always just short and charging but with that extra distance he was able to pull it out.

I disagree. I dont think he wants to go that far. I think he would have a hard time either sustaining his run longer or having enough kick after going the extra distance.

Sun King has been admirable with what he has achieved but the added stretch would do him in.

[randallscott35]

I think Dala is right,

He is a great miler who can stretch to 9 if he has to. He can run admirable races at 10 but not Grade 1 winning at 10. He loses that punch down the lane. I don't think he is a hanger like most think.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I think Dala is right,

He is a great miler who can stretch to 9 if he has to. He can run admirable races at 10 but not Grade 1 winning at 10. He loses that punch down the lane. I don't think he is a hanger like most think.

agree, he doesn't hang, he still looks determined...You can see Perfect Drift just pull up in his eyes, if that makes any sense

I can't recall but has SK tried the turf? Maybe the Mile next year would be a good spot for him if he takes to it

[Slewstoo]

Originally Posted by Scav

agree, he doesn't hang, he still looks determined...You can see Perfect Drift just pull up in his eyes, if that makes any sense

I can't recall but has SK tried the turf? Maybe the Mile next year would be a good spot for him if he takes to it

He's never tried turf, but I would really like to see if he takes to it. Zito would be wise to take a Perfect Drift like approach next year and try Sun King on the turf for his first start of the season and see if he likes it. I like the idea.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Slewstoo

He's never tried turf, but I would really like to see if he takes to it. Zito would be wise to take a Perfect Drift like approach next year and try Sun King on the turf for his first start of the season and see if he likes it. I like the idea.

Just looked at his pedigree, not really bred green too much, Charismatic has thrown a couple to like it though, not sure what their bottom sides were.....

http://www.pedigreequery.com/sun+king5