The Anti-digital Obama

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not hard to believe that so many media outlets cherry-picked a sentence or two, missing the entire point of the speech. Sorta proves the point of the example the President used, regarding the need for education.

I can't believe "What Jefferson recognized, like the rest of that gifted generation, was that in the long run, their improbable experiment - America " hasn't been picked. Improbable Experiment? That's what this President thinks of the founding fathers? Real Nice!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I can't believe "What Jefferson recognized, like the rest of that gifted generation, was that in the long run, their improbable experiment - America " hasn't been picked. Improbable Experiment? That's what this President thinks of the founding fathers? Real Nice!

What the President thinks of the founding fathers is probably exactly what he called them, above: "gifted".

You have to be kidding? Have you never taken an American history class? America's proposed structure of a democratic republic was indeed an "improbable experiment".

[joeydb]

I've heard it called a bold experiment, many times, but "improbable"? I think that's the first time I've heard it put quite that way.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I've heard it called a bold experiment, many times, but "improbable"? I think that's the first time I've heard it put quite that way.

Doesn't seem to be a very unique phrase when referring to the origin of our country. "America" wasn't viewed by many as an assured success in the beginning. Even the founding fathers had fears and doubts. A quick search shows others using the same phrase:

The Founding Fathers Reconsidered - By Richard B. Bernstein
The Heritage Foundation. The American experiment - by Helle Dale

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I can't believe "What Jefferson recognized, like the rest of that gifted generation, was that in the long run, their improbable experiment - America " hasn't been picked. Improbable Experiment? That's what this President thinks of the founding fathers? Real Nice!

And further to the point, if people started picking this line out of the speech, then more people could give ridiculous interpretations of it like you just did, where you seem to think that calling something that was an improbable experiment an "improbable experiment" is somehow a knock.

How that can even remotely be construed as a dig at the founding fathers is absolutely beyond me.

[Honu]

Like any of those kids give a frogs fat azz what he says about their Ipod's and IPad's and how much information they choose to see. I bet what they heard was Blah Blah Blah and Waa Waa Waaa. That is usually what I hear when he speaks lol.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

How that can even remotely be construed as a dig at the founding fathers is absolutely beyond me.

For the same reason when a dog makes a sound I call it a bark because I've heard it many times before. In Obama's case it started on his first world Apology for America tour. Hell his wife didn't experience her first momement of pride for the country until a few years ago.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

For the same reason when a dog makes a sound I call it a bark because I've heard it many times before. In Obama's case it started on his first world Apology for America tour. Hell his wife didn't experience her first momement of pride for the country until a few years ago.

"Meanwhile, you're coming of age in a 24/7 media environment that bombards us with all kinds of content and exposes us to all kinds of arguments, some of which don't rank all that high on the truth meter."

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

For the same reason when a dog makes a sound I call it a bark because I've heard it many times before. In Obama's case it started on his first world Apology for America tour. Hell his wife didn't experience her first momement of pride for the country until a few years ago.

"i'm so used to misinterpreting everything i hear that it now all sounds the same regardless of actual content".

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

For the same reason when a dog makes a sound I call it a bark because I've heard it many times before..

Speaking of Pavlovian dog whistles ... are you familiar with something called, "The Southern Strategy"?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Speaking of Pavlovian dog whistles ... are you familiar with something called, "The Southern Strategy"?

let me guess. You left the republican party because they stopped using it? I say that because as we all know you've been a Republican most of your life.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

let me guess. You left the republican party because they stopped using it? I say that because as we all know you've been a Republican most of your life.

Yes, when Republican didn't mean confusing the duely elected President of the US with a "regime", when having the lowest taxes in decades weren't falsely touted as "Taxed To Death", when people realized that Medicare was a government-run program, and when candidates for Governor of Alabama didn't answer ridiculous charges that their support for teaching evolution in schools was abhorent with, " That's wrong, I always believed in God and the Bible and Creationism". You know - back when being Republican didn't require wearing a tinfoil hat and divorcing oneself from reality.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, when Republican didn't mean confusing the duely elected President of the US with a "regime", when having the lowest taxes in decades weren't falsely touted as "Taxed To Death", when people realized that Medicare was a government-run program, and when candidates for Governor of Alabama didn't answer ridiculous charges that their support for teaching evolution in schools was abhorent with, " That's wrong, I always believed in God and the Bible and Creationism". You know - back when being Republican didn't require wearing a tinfoil hat and divorcing oneself from reality.

Medicare is a Govt. run program? No frikkin way! I didn't know that! Next you'll be telling me that Fannie and Freddy are Govt. run programs too! Sh!t I didn't know that! Do you know who coughs up the $$$ when Fannie and Freddy makes too many loans to people who they know can't make the payments? Me? Sh!t! I didn't know that! We should keep financing this horsesh!t! The Govt. thinks that the problem is that F and F haven't made enough loans to people who can't afford them. We should definitely pay more taxes, so the Govt. has more to wisely spend. You do know that all the money is going to the needy? Right?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Hell his wife didn't experience her first momement of pride for the country until a few years ago.

Now you're just doing it on purpose. Come on.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Now you're just doing it on purpose. Come on.

came straight from the horse's mouth! Of course it was retracted and dismissed like an Obama racist minister or a convicted, felon friend he barely knew and only talked to about one person for one job.

Now against all odds that same, solo person received six seperate subpeonas, to appear before a Grand Jury in both Chicago and Springfield, this past week.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

And further to the point, if people started picking this line out of the speech, then more people could give ridiculous interpretations of it like you just did, where you seem to think that calling something that was an improbable experiment an "improbable experiment" is somehow a knock.

How that can even remotely be construed as a dig at the founding fathers is absolutely beyond me.

i agree. it was improbable. not impossible, but definitely improbable. the nice thing is that we luckily had the people in place at the time who could not only dream big, but put it all into action. certainly no slur by obama to say what he said.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I can't believe "What Jefferson recognized, like the rest of that gifted generation, was that in the long run, their improbable experiment - America " hasn't been picked. Improbable Experiment? That's what this President thinks of the founding fathers? Real Nice!

Wow.
This post nearly reaches 'Nascarian' levels of cluelessness.

[SOREHOOF]

Jefferson wouldn't recognize this America.