Zenyatta v. Rail Trip??

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

isnt the subject zenyatta v rail trip?

scuds vs the world is way more interesting right now.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Rachel Alexandra has faced tougher horses in 2010 than Zenyatta....and even you know that.

Maybe... But those horses and their connections had a choice 1) take a shot at Rachel or 2) take a shot at Z.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

i have no dog in whatever fight you are trying to have. just trying to get the thread back to what the subject is and its not who is or isnt a narcissist. the subject is zenyatta and rail trip.

IF THEY STOP ATTACKING THE MESSENGER, THEN IT'D BE BACK ON WHAT YOU WANT. LOL...Nothing new going on. I just reset it. They keep attacking the messenger in order to try to lessen the importance of something they don't like being talked about. This is what people do when a Narcissist is exposed with facts. They attack the messenger.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

scuds vs the world is way more interesting right now.

Another attack on the messenger. Painting messenger as paranoid etc. Still no attack on the facts brought up.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

IF THEY STOP ATTACKING THE MESSENGER, THEN IT'D BE BACK ON WHAT YOU WANT. LOL...Nothing new going on. I just reset it. They keep attacking the messenger in order to try to lessen the importance of something they don't like being talked about. This is what people do when a Narcissist is exposed with facts. They attack the messenger.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Another attack on the messenger.

Scuds I am on your side of this argument. You seem like a good enough dude.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Another attack on the messenger. Painting messenger as paranoid etc. Still no attack on the facts brought up.

facts are the facts scuds , i know the deal you feel , if i claim foul when nyra doesn't give a refund over a horse held in the starting gate, it becomes a debate on my assocaition with a former board member instead of a cold hard look at the facts ....ie now instead of looking at the message , the messenger goes on trial , great country isn't it scuds

[stonegossard]

Scuds I was joking. I waited patiently for you to post, but you are probably too busy finishing up building your last lamp built out of human body parts. I wanted the tenth attacker on scuds to be special. You let me down Dahmer.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yet another way to lessen information you don't like......BTW said he was wrong about Rail Trip, but (because he's a narcissist) had to try to alter the importance of that by attacking FAT MAN. I didn't bring Narcissism in. He displayed it 3 times:

1) Writes "Happy?" after admitting he's wrong...........(Narcissistic Technique.)

2) I was wrong, but you're as miserable as it gets........ (Narcissistic Technique.)

3) Changes subject...........(Narcissistic Technique.)

Interesting $hit...Who knew...

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I think the record is their goal right now. Can't say I blame them at all for that. As for weights, sure they're going to try their best to keep them low-but by doing that as well as their over all handling, they've got no one to blame but themselves for the lack of respect they feel she is getting. Thing is, I think people respect the horse but not the connections. Many just know that she can do more, that she possibly could really excel-but they just won't test her.

I'm not sure that they don't respect the Mosses or the Shirreffs. I mean of the connections out there, I think people would like there to be more of their character in the sport. It's not all about the dollar and using horses as a commodity. It's just that their decisions are irksome to me right now. I understand them, I just don't like them.

If Zenyatta had won 2009 HOY, the odds of her being back this year plummet. What we're getting is horsemanship + pride + this conservative protectionism. That doesn't result in a truly glorious campaign because nothing's really on the line. It bores me. Sorry. (Not her exactly, the repetitiveness and ease of competition I mean) I can put an old race of hers on a loop and get the same effect. It's not like I'm getting to see her live, and most of America doesn't get to see her on tv. I'm happy for the folks in CA and at Oaklawn, but what good does it do anybody else? I guess they figure if they play their cards right she gets HOY, the N.A. earnings record, the undefeated streak record, and maybe beats RA for icing on the cake. Don't blame them, but it's not as much fun for me.

[Rupert Pupkin]

I think that Moss/Shirreffs had three goals for this year. I think their first goal was to beat RA. I think their second goal was to win the BC Classic again. I think their 3rd goal was to win HOY. I think those were their three big goals.

They tried to face RA but things didn't work out. At this point, I think their goals are the BC Classic and winning HOY.

I don't think that they think they have anything to prove. At this point, they will probably just look for the path of least resistance to the BC Classic. If they win the BC Classic, I think she is HOY regardless of how easy her schedule is leading up to the race.

As I said, I don't think they feel that they have anything to prove and even if there was something to prove, it would be proven in this year's BC Classic at Churchill. Nobody will be able to knock the horse if she wins the BC Classic again this year.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Waiting for the Jay Hovdey defense of all things Zenyatta at drf.com in 3, 2, 1...

He snuck this one past you when you weren't looking.

http://hovdeyblog.drf.com/hovdeyblog/

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think that Moss/Shirreffs had three goals for this year. I think their first goal was to beat RA. I think their second goal was to win the BC Classic again. I think their 3rd goal was to win HOY. I think those were their three big goals.

They tried to face RA but things didn't work out. At this point, I think their goals are the BC Classic and winning HOY.

I don't think that they think they have anything to prove. At this point, they will probably just look for the path of least resistance to the BC Classic. If they win the BC Classic, I think she is HOY regardless of how easy her schedule is leading up to the race.

As I said, I don't think they feel that they have anything to prove and even if there was something to prove, it would be proven in this year's BC Classic at Churchill. Nobody will be able to knock the horse if she wins the BC Classic again this year.

Considering how difficult it is to do back to back, she'll definitely get a ton of credit in terms of her overall legend, but Tiznow did it and his 2nd didn't get him HOY because the rest of the campaign didn't bear him out in comparison to Point Given's year. PG didn't even have to show up for the BCC to get it. I don't know why everybody acts like not going ought to DQ you or something--it's but one factor to consider. We need to see what everybody else does. Some 3yos could pull what Tiznow did his 3yo season and show up later. We're already missing some recovering from Derby prep injuries or just now coming along. I've said it before, Zenyatta's magic, but I'm just not a fan of conceding a season to one horse before it's happened. I hope she's covered up with challengers by the end of this. It's better for racing. If she is and still kicks some tail, bravo for her.

I'd just love to see her at Belmont or Saratoga. Can someone explain to them that Zenyatta doesn't understand the words "ladies and gentlemen, if you'll look out the window of the cabin, you'll notice that we are currently crossing over the Rocky Mountains" ?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

I'm not sure that they don't respect the Mosses or the Shirreffs. I mean of the connections out there, I think people would like there to be more of their character in the sport. It's not all about the dollar and using horses as a commodity. It's just that their decisions are irksome to me right now. I understand them, I just don't like them.

If Zenyatta had won 2009 HOY, the odds of her being back this year plummet. What we're getting is horsemanship + pride + this conservative protectionism. That doesn't result in a truly glorious campaign because nothing's really on the line. It bores me. Sorry. (Not her exactly, the repetitiveness and ease of competition I mean) I can put an old race of hers on a loop and get the same effect. It's not like I'm getting to see her live, and most of America doesn't get to see her on tv. I'm happy for the folks in CA and at Oaklawn, but what good does it do anybody else? I guess they figure if they play their cards right she gets HOY, the N.A. earnings record, the undefeated streak record, and maybe beats RA for icing on the cake. Don't blame them, but it's not as much fun for me.

let me say, it's not respect for them-but respect for the campaign they've chosen for their stable star. i think practically everyone feels there is a lot more to zenyatta, and that perhaps she's getting cheated a bit by not taking on all comers. she's been in one unrestricted race her entire career. they wish for her to be considered an all-time great; it would help their cause immensely if they raced her as such.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Again, attacking the messenger, and changing the subject. Anything necessary to take the attention off the Narcissist. It's as if he has taught the others how to carry his water for him.

everyone had their own issues. including you. and including me and everyone else.

i sure dont carry anybody's water.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

everyone had their own issues. including you. and including me and everyone else.

i sure dont carry anybody's water.

Suddenly, this thread has gone to all time greatest status, I may have to stick around here longer to see it's conclusion. It's got everything from horseracing to Rachel to classic Narcissism...Whatelse can one want?

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

He snuck this one past you when you weren't looking.

http://hovdeyblog.drf.com/hovdeyblog/

What is with this dude? Seriously, everything he posts on his "blog" ends up being a slam on Jackson and his horse or blatantly unwarranted praise for all things Moss and Zenyatta. I'd wager that there is a far larger percentage of horse racing fans who question Zenyatta's creds than there were George Bush defenders circa 2007 or so.

[TouchOfGrey]

Shirreffs was asked if there was any chance Zenyatta would run in the Hollywood Gold Cup against males. Shirreffs responded, "No. We're not looking to climb the highest mountain possible. She's proven herself now."

DRF|Don't expect Zenyatta to challenge Rail Trip

ETA: Sorry, didn't see this link was already posted.

[Smooth Operator]

Shirreffs knows what he has … a monster win-machine router which is gunna love going from synthetic to that CD dirt.

Heard she was "eating up" the stuff the short time she was there last year before the scratch.

Just get that win record (a simply remarkable accomplishment given her running style) … and get her to the big race fit and fresh as a spring daisy, John.

If she catches a break with that miserable KY weather … she'll run down all the 10f pretenders in the lane … and make history again…

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think that Moss/Shirreffs had three goals for this year. I think their first goal was to beat RA. I think their second goal was to win the BC Classic again. I think their 3rd goal was to win HOY. I think those were their three big goals.

They tried to face RA but things didn't work out. At this point, I think their goals are the BC Classic and winning HOY.

I don't think that they think they have anything to prove. At this point, they will probably just look for the path of least resistance to the BC Classic. If they win the BC Classic, I think she is HOY regardless of how easy her schedule is leading up to the race.

As I said, I don't think they feel that they have anything to prove and even if there was something to prove, it would be proven in this year's BC Classic at Churchill. Nobody will be able to knock the horse if she wins the BC Classic again this year.

We both know that the haters will hate, no matter what. I'm sure some will cite the cupcake competition, race dynamics, etc. if she somehow re-claims the BC Classic title. Nature of the beast.