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Old 05-09-2010, 06:52 PM
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ok, 5 races then....answer the question, who is this horse I am waiting to bet on as I asked? Cause I dont see much of anything that can run long on dirt.
Wait until some of the real handicap races start being run.

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Old 05-09-2010, 06:53 PM
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All she has to do is face a horse this year that beyers 119 in a race so that she can beyer 120 to make Drugs happy, maybe he will even admit he was wrong. We are still waiting on his explanation of what went wrong with Rachel here on DT. That should be illuminating...
Something went wrong with RA? She's still running > 100 Beyers, isn't she? Which means she still FASTER than Z (and thus better).

I don't know what you're talking about, Willis.
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Old 05-09-2010, 06:55 PM
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Who are the really good 1 1/8th or beyond horses, the only one with any real ability is slated to run four times this year in Quality Road, who else?
There sure aren't very many, you're right about that.
Right now I would almost certainly bet on Quality Road and Rachel Alexandra in a dirt race against Zenyatta. Beyond that? Who knows. The 3yo crop sure doesn't look like much, but it is always possible that somebody in the crop (Ice Box? Super Saver? somebody else?) continues to improve and therefore turns into a legitimate 9f+ horse.
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Old 05-09-2010, 06:55 PM
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ok, 5 races then....answer the question, who is this horse I am waiting to bet on as I asked? Cause I dont see much of anything that can run long on dirt.
I thought we've been through this....Quality Road has run twice this year ( the Hal's Hope and Donn ) and will run at least four more times this year ( Met, Whitney, Woodward and/or JCGC, and BC Classic ) assuming he stays sound. No, nobody is saying that is an abundance of races...but stop trying to make Zenyatta look less bad
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Old 05-09-2010, 06:56 PM
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ok, 5 races then....answer the question, who is this horse I am waiting to bet on as I asked? Cause I dont see much of anything that can run long on dirt.
What's wrong with Quality Road at 9f?
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Old 05-09-2010, 07:00 PM
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What's wrong with Quality Road at 9f?
The way Pletcher's horses are running, nothing. The question is can he keep it up the rest of the year?
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Old 05-09-2010, 07:03 PM
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What's wrong with Quality Road at 9f?
He is the only one I see that has run on dirt with real ability, and that includes super saver. I could be wrong about that horse but I think he got lucky to get 10 furlongs last week.
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Old 05-09-2010, 07:04 PM
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I thought we've been through this....Quality Road has run twice this year ( the Hal's Hope and Donn ) and will run at least four more times this year ( Met, Whitney, Woodward and/or JCGC, and BC Classic ) assuming he stays sound. No, nobody is saying that is an abundance of races...but stop trying to make Zenyatta look less bad
We know your position, she sucks
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Old 05-09-2010, 07:20 PM
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Imagine 20 years from now DrugS Jr. is on some forum comparing horses historically using Beyers: what does he do with her?
Lol … too funny



Must be boatloads of RA lovers out there who want to see Z slip up SOOOOOOOOO bad


I'm enjoying this TO THE FULL.
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Old 05-09-2010, 08:31 PM
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Oh I don't know … maybe cuz she's lost a TON of street cred … and beating an UNDEFEATED DUAL BC CHAMPION at her home track would go a LONG way in restoring her tarnished reputation.




And she'll probably get beat there too...


Like others have stated, most owners have zero interested in running on a joke of a surface at HP. Zenyatta has proven she loves synthetic 14 times.....yay. She is a great synthetic horse. Running a 15th time in The Vanity is borderline ridiculous and weak. If she was to retire now she will go down in history as a horse who was very good on a surface a majority of the good horses don't take to. How many turf horses does the world really remember? Not many. That's where her legacy is heading.

As far as RA vs Rachel? Obviously RA isn't the same horse she was when she had her historic campaign to win HOY in 2009. So far in 2010 Zenyatta is the better horse. She has won two races she was supposed to win...unlike RA. RA's reputation is far from tarnished....that's pretty hilarious to say as she ran two good races and got beat at the end.

Hopefully The Moss's just run one more pretend race in So-Cal and head out to Saratoga this summer. If she were to at least run somewhere else myself and others would have a lot more respect for her (even if she loses). Run on the same surface as the BC. Do something DIFFERENT.....otherwise running at Hol and Dmr this summer will be more of the same old boring campaign which cost her HOY last year.
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Old 05-09-2010, 08:41 PM
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There sure aren't very many, you're right about that.
Right now I would almost certainly bet on Quality Road and Rachel Alexandra in a dirt race against Zenyatta. Beyond that? Who knows. The 3yo crop sure doesn't look like much, but it is always possible that somebody in the crop (Ice Box? Super Saver? somebody else?) continues to improve and therefore turns into a legitimate 9f+ horse.
Rachel is toast. Her last race last year cooked her. Can't believe people doubt a horse that has never lost. Don't care if she was running on glass. QR would be a good race but we may never see it
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Old 05-09-2010, 09:16 PM
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What does this have to do with the topic?

Yes, I was wrong about Rail Trip. Happy? I doubt it....as you are as miserable as they come.

Now, that we have gotten past that, try to actually make one post that is related to the actual discussion. Surely you can do this once.
I knew the courting period (the 2 Narcissists were enjoying last week) would not last. It was almost as disgusting as when Muhammed got excited watching little Aisha on her swing set.

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Old 05-09-2010, 09:38 PM
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I don't expect to see Z race outside of SoCal a third time. Shirreffs has already expressed his fear of shipping Z over the Rockies, and we know she will likely be scratched again if she faces an off track. Shirreffs isn't going to waste flying her over the Rockies again just to find an off track at one of those real dirt courses. He is going to need an ironclad guarantee of dry weather before he puts her on a plane again, and we all know there are no ironclad forecasts, especially in the weather business.

So this will be her schedule for the rest of the year: Vanity, parade at Hollywood, Clement Hirsch, parade at Del Mar, Zenyatta Hcp, parade at Oak Tree, retirement announcement the week of the BC, post-retirement parade at Hollywood.
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Old 05-09-2010, 09:53 PM
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I knew the courting period (the 2 Narcissists were enjoying last week) would not last. It was almost as disgusting as when Muhammed got excited watching little Aisha on her swing set.
We get along fine. Plus, disdain for you is a great and easy uniter.
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Old 05-09-2010, 09:53 PM
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Have started thinking about what to say if she wins her 17th. Any suggestions?
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Old 05-09-2010, 09:55 PM
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Have started thinking about what to say if she wins her 17th. Any suggestions?

look out, pepper's pride?
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Old 05-09-2010, 09:59 PM
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look out, pepper's pride?
This one will not be topped.

And the timing was tremendous.
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Have started thinking about what to say if she wins her 17th. Any suggestions?
"Zenyatta romps again by a measured 1/2 length...do the names of the others matter?"
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Old 05-09-2010, 10:22 PM
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"No need to ask she's a Smooth Operator...ZENYATTAAAAAAAAAA!!"
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Old 05-09-2010, 10:22 PM
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Have started thinking about what to say if she wins her 17th. Any suggestions?
And here is one Smooth Operator!

Or, F. U. Stone Gossard!

Or, does anyone here have amphetamines to help wake me up?

Or, she has the speed of Ruffian, the class of Personal Ensign and the will to win of Peppers Pride?
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