La Troienne discussion

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

. RA was the better horse last year. So far this year Zenyatta is the better horse.

If you want to say RA accomplished more last year and desreved the HoY more than Z, I would agree. Who was the better horse? How can you definitely say?

[tbonds]

Ra vs. Z??
Look over the longer period of time. Z as put together several good years.
Ra has a short span of being good. Hands down the big Z is and will be the better when you compare them.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by tbonds

Ra vs. Z??
Look over the longer period of time. Z as put together several good years.
Ra has a short span of being good. Hands down the big Z is and will be the better when you compare them.

no offense, but you can only compare them if they race against each other.

[tbonds]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

no offense, but you can only compare them if they race against each other.

They had that chance, but backed out. Do you think its a fear factor on Jess's part?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by tbonds

They had that chance, but backed out. Do you think its a fear factor on Jess's part?

no

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you want to say RA accomplished more last year and desreved the HoY more than Z, I would agree. Who was the better horse? How can you definitely say?

Until they face each other nobody can really say who is better. Last year they both were great....but RA definitely accomplished much more. If The Moss's had not played "scared" all year and won the Hollywood Gold Cup or The Pacific Classic, and not faced a bunch of turds last year then one could argue she deserved it. But her campaign up until The BC was embarassing.

Hopefully they get to meet this year to settle the score.

[CSC]

Why should Rachel retire? She has been competitive in 2 races this year losing by no more than a combined length. I'm sure the numbers guys will tell us she will beyer better than the 100 she got in the N.O Ladies and that would put her in the 107 range of the Woodward, so what's wrong with that? Unless people's opinions of her were so sky high to begin with, then maybe it is a big surprise then. She lost to a very good filly and Rachel ran a good race give both some credit.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CSC

I'm sure the numbers guys will tell us she will beyer better than the 100 she got in the N.O Ladies and that would put her in the 107 range of the Woodward, so what's wrong with that?

Pretty sure you're wrong about that. And she ran a 109 in the Woodward.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Pretty sure you're wrong about that. And she ran a 109 in the Woodward.

You just wanted to say that right? It must bother you when Smooth, FM and a select few didn't buy into this greatness tag?

BTW it was 107 unless they upgraded it at a later date which I wouldn't know about since I only sparingly use beyers anyway.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CSC

You just wanted to say that right? It must bother you when Smooth, FM and a select few didn't buy into this greatness tag?

BTW it was 107 unless they upgraded it at a later date which I wouldn't know about since I only sparingly use beyers anyway.

What? You said she's going to get a 107 for this race, and I'm pretty sure you're wrong. And it was a 109.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What? You said she's going to get a 107 for this race, and I'm pretty sure you're wrong. And it was a 109.

You wanna know my Derby pick? You will have 19 out of 20 chances of telling me I'm wrong Saturday.

Frankly I am not bubbling with confidence with this crapshoot and anyone telling you they are is surely lying.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by CSC

Why should Rachel retire? She has been competitive in 2 races this year losing by no more than a combined length. I'm sure the numbers guys will tell us she will beyer better than the 100 she got in the N.O Ladies and that would put her in the 107 range of the Woodward, so what's wrong with that? Unless people's opinions of her were so sky high to begin with, then maybe it is a big surprise then. She lost to a very good filly and Rachel ran a good race give both some credit.

She won't get a 107.

I think Blind Luck went backwards a few points from her OP Fantasy race. Not a stretch to assume that given it's hard for 3YO fillies to repeat that kind of performance. If you assign her a 100, Rachel/Unrivaled Belle get a 102, and the Alysheba gets a 99.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by philcski

She won't get a 107.

I think Blind Luck went backwards a few points from her OP Fantasy race. Not a stretch to assume that given it's hard for 3YO fillies to repeat that kind of performance. If you assign her a 100, Rachel/Unrivaled Belle get a 102, and the Alysheba gets a 99.

It's also understandable considering the traffic she had to overcome to pass 13 horses.

If they retire her it would be a mistake. The main track was hmm awkward.

[dalakhani]

Im not understanding how people are blaming the rider here. What did he do wrong? He sat right off a relatively slow pace and pounced around the turn. What was he supposed to do? She didnt get checked or have any traffic problems and he didnt get her into any kind of duel.

Calvin did his job. If she was good enough today, she wins. She wasn't good enough today.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

If they retire her it would be a mistake. The main track was hmm awkward.

It certainly didn't favor frontrunners.

Horses on the lead after a half on the main track finished 3rd, 4th, 9th, 2nd (Rachel), 3rd, 8th, 3rd, and 2nd.

Horses to win came from 7th of 8, 3rd of 11, 5th of 10, 3rd of 6, 4th of 5, 4th of 9, 14th of 14, and 2nd of 8.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Im not understanding how people are blaming the rider here. What did he do wrong? He sat right off a relatively slow pace and pounced around the turn. What was he supposed to do? She didnt get checked or have anyone traffic problems and he didnt get her into any kind of duel.

Calvin did his job. If she was good enough today, she wins. She wasn't good enough today.

I agree with this.