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[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by philcski

Sure we can! Say... got another dollar I can tax you on so I can spend it on a bigger military or send it to Israel?

So your choice... less tough and less heart, but less money out of your pocket, or more tough and more heart, and more money out of your pocket. What you say?

I've already answered that question - big military, small government, low taxes. That's how we can accomplish "tough with a heart". The tough part (a strong military) is the responsibility of the government as outlined in the Constitution. The heart comes from the people themselves - the generous, caring, compassionate people of the U.S. who never failed to reach into their pockets to help others in need. And, if we werent' taxed out of our eyeballs already and tax programs to be heaped on an already overtaxed population, we could get back to being generous. But who the heck has any money leftover anymore, or how many people who are struggling to find a job have enough money to pay for even the barest of life's essentials.

This country is in the toilet and the big flush is soon to come.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Ummm - no it's not. Not every illegal works his/her butt off at racetracks.

What do the rest of them do? Bounce around from social program to social program? You realize that billions of dollars in withheld taxes earned by illegals are kept by the govt rather than be paid back. You do realize that illegals do the cheap labor jobs that Americans wont do which means that those businesses which employ them continue to be in business or remain profitable. You know like food growers, restaurants, landscaping business, temp jobs. The vast majority of them dont rely on govt services for anything as they are afraid of being turned in and sent back.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

I've already answered that question - big military, small government, low taxes. That's how we can accomplish "tough with a heart". The tough part (a strong military) is the responsibility of the government as outlined in the Constitution. The heart comes from the people themselves - the generous, caring, compassionate people of the U.S. who never failed to reach into their pockets to help others in need. And, if we werent' taxed out of our eyeballs already and tax programs to be heaped on an already overtaxed population, we could get back to being generous. But who the heck has any money leftover anymore, or how many people who are struggling to find a job have enough money to pay for even the barest of life's essentials.

This country is in the toilet and the big flush is soon to come.

Sure, sounds great. Big military- how about 20X bigger than the next guy? We're already at 8X. Hell, why not go to 100X? Bigger military than we already have is absurd.

So sending $25 billion to Israel is being generous? Or should we expect people to send that money out of pocket? That's $100 per person. We can do it!

Let me ask you this: how has the effective tax rate changed over the last 30 years? How much do you expect your taxes to increase for 2011?

[Cannon Shell]

it is always interesting to see how the other side sees things. telling but interesting.


I especially liked it when the argument was made for capital gains to be taxed at the same rate as 'wages'. This of course fails to understand that capital gains are the result of invested money being "risked", there is no presumption of profit as there is with wages. You see when investing you may actually lose money which combined with a high tax rate provides less incentive to take that risk. Remember that those who earn wages are profiting on the backs of other peoples risks.

Of course those 'rich' people do create the jobs no matter how hard you want this to not be true.

And the blather about the healthcare bill providing ecomonic relief as opposed to the opposite ignores what has happened since its passage, namely the majority of the countries biggest employers plans to dump tens of millions of people onto govt's dole. You see the way the financing was rigged so that the thing passed depended on business simply taking the hit when that most certainly wont happen no matter how many hearings Waxman calls.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

And then we can cut veteran's benefits and health care because I mean, really, they were getting paid while they were serving, I don't see why they keep getting freebies after they're done serving. It's not like taking care of them is doing me any good. They can just go out and get employer-provided health care at private jobs like the rest of us. And if they can't, well, that's not my problem if they were too dumb to avoid getting shot or bombed or did something stupid like lose limbs because they picked up a live grenade (That's what people like Rush said about Max Cleland, after all, and he would know.) Life's tough. They were getting paid while they were serving; that should be enough for them, like it is for the rest of us.

See? Medicare and veteran's benefits. Man, this budget cutting stuff is easy!

I earned the right to receive retirement pay and veteran benefits just like every person who does at least 20 years in the military. I still have to work to make ends meet. If you dont like the fact that I earned it then tough sh t. Because people volunteer for the service there is no need for the draft. Its also not my problem you dont have good health insurance. Its also not my problem if you cant get health insurance. Im guessing you didnt do anytime in the service you how can make up your smart ass remark a person being dumb not to avoid hand grenanade. I guess you think it okay seeing all these soldiers coming home in body bags and soldiers missing limbs. Not my problem if where you work at doesnt have a retirement plan. If your working and dont like the fact that your employer doesnt offer you a retirement plan then do me a favor quit your job. Maybe this country needs to go to the draft. If you dont like my remarks tough sh t.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What do the rest of them do? Bounce around from social program to social program? You realize that billions of dollars in withheld taxes earned by illegals are kept by the govt rather than be paid back. You do realize that illegals do the cheap labor jobs that Americans wont do which means that those businesses which employ them continue to be in business or remain profitable. You know like food growers, restaurants, landscaping business, temp jobs. The vast majority of them dont rely on govt services for anything as they are afraid of being turned in and sent back.

It's not to say that all illegal aliens are non-workers or of a criminal element. I don't know who's legal and who's not. I have a friend who works for employers of Mexican labor. She tells me that she can clearly pick up on the fact that documentation is false, but the employers are the ones doing the employing and they're perfectly fine with it.

That mentality and practice is patently unfair to the thousands - perhaps millions - of people from other countries who wait patiently, sometimes for years on end, to gain LEGAL entry into this country. Personally, I find our immigration laws too strident and tilted toward one nationality. But, until the laws are changed, it's the law of the land, and it should be enforced.

Economic Costs of illegal aliens.

1. $11-$22 billion spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.

2. $2.2 billion yearly spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

3. $2.5 billion yearly spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

Millions of U.S. dollars sent outside the country. Population health risks due to unverified pre-entry immunizations. Increase in road traffic and usage, injurious or fatal accidents. Growing number of uninsured illegal aliens who can't pay for claims. Overcrowding and financial burdens on public schools. Continued law-breaking rationalization for those who employ illegals. Difficult prosecution and justice when perpetrators flee the country.

And, then, there is the crime factor. Not a fun read, but eye opening

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impac...e_summary.html

"While the vast majority of illegal aliens are decent people who work hard and are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, (something you or I would probably do if we were in their place), it is also a fact that a disproportionately high percentage of illegal aliens are criminals and sexual predators," states Peter Wagner, author of a new report called "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration." -
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impac...e_summary.html "That is part of the dark side of illegal immigration and when we allow the 'good' in we get the 'bad' along with them. The question is, how much 'bad' is acceptable and at what price?"

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I earned the right to receive retirement pay and veteran benefits just like every person who does at least 20 years in the military. I still have to work to make ends meet. If you dont like the fact that I earned it then tough sh t. Because people volunteer for the service there is no need for the draft. Its also not my problem you dont have good health insurance. Its also not my problem if you cant get health insurance. Im guessing you didnt do anytime in the service you how can make up your smart ass remark a person being dumb not to avoid hand grenanade. I guess you think it okay seeing all these soldiers coming home in body bags and soldiers missing limbs. Not my problem if where you work at doesnt have a retirement plan. If your working and dont like the fact that your employer doesnt offer you a retirement plan then do me a favor quit your job. Maybe this country needs to go to the draft. If you dont like my remarks tough sh t.

She was being sarcastic. Read her long post

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by philcski

She was being sarcastic. Read her long post

You know how I get when it comes to the military.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by philcski

Sure, sounds great. Big military- how about 20X bigger than the next guy? We're already at 8X. Hell, why not go to 100X? Bigger military than we already have is absurd.

So sending $25 billion to Israel is being generous? Or should we expect people to send that money out of pocket? That's $100 per person. We can do it!

Let me ask you this: how has the effective tax rate changed over the last 30 years? How much do you expect your taxes to increase for 2011?

philcski - will you please stop "spinning". I originally responded on this issue to a poster who said, "Cut the defense budget by 50%". That's what's absurd. We frankly don't know how big China's or Iran's military arsenal is. We've already learned that all it takes is about a dozen nut cases and 3 highjacked airliners to take out several thousand people in the matter of a couple of hours. Military spending goes beyond weaponry and manpower. There's state of the art intelligence and keeping up with techology and highly technical people to manage such. That does not necessarily mean we have to increase the budget to increase the size. If those fat butt bureaucrats would just stay the heck out of the way of the military professionals and let them do their job and stop throwing monkey wrenches into the process passing ridiculous rules and regulations about where, how, and why desperately needed items are bought, the military would work more efficiently and do their job better.

And, the private sector and corporations have and continue to send money to Israel. I wonder how long that will be allowed. Talk about hate! Obama has shown nothing but disdain for Israel.

How much will my taxes be increased? I know that VAT is on the table, but I really can't imagine what else BO has on his taxation agenda. I continue to be astounded by his actions on a daily basis.

"I will not raise your taxes."

No, maybe he won't, but he'll find a dozen or more way to institute new taxes.

As long as you're so big at asking questions, let me ask you a question. How's that hopey changey BO thing working out for you?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

You know how I get when it comes to the military.

LOL. I thought it was an insane post too until I figured out it was sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

philcski - will you please stop "spinning". I originally responded on this issue to a poster who said, "Cut the defense budget by 50%". That's what's absurd. We frankly don't know how big China's or Iran's military arsenal is. We've already learned that all it takes is about a dozen nut cases and 3 highjacked airliners to take out several thousand people in the matter of a couple of hours. Military spending goes beyond weaponry and manpower. There's state of the art intelligence and keeping up with techology and highly technical people to manage such. That does not necessarily mean we have to increase the budget to increase the size. If those fat butt bureaucrats would just stay the heck out of the way of the military professionals and let them do their job and stop throwing monkey wrenches into the process passing ridiculous rules and regulations about where, how, and why desperately needed items are bought, the military would work more efficiently and do their job better.

And, the private sector and corporations have and continue to send money to Israel. I wonder how long that will be allowed. Talk about hate! Obama has shown nothing but disdain for Israel.

How much will my taxes be increased? I know that VAT is on the table, but I really can't imagine what else BO has on his taxation agenda. I continue to be astounded by his actions on a daily basis.

"I will not raise your taxes."

No, maybe he won't, but he'll find a dozen or more way to institute new taxes.

As long as you're so big at asking questions, let me ask you a question. How's that hopey changey BO thing working out for you?

Precisely. The military's might served no purpose in 9/11, and that is no knock against it, because with all the best intelligence in the world we could not have known that was the time. There was nothing they could do. I should have died that day, believe me I'm all for national security against terrorism. We are fighting a different war now, an information war. Sourcing and sorting credible leads doesn't take guns and tanks, it takes information technology and code cracking geniuses.

We are not at war with China- and probably never will be in my or your lifetime. We are not at war with Iran. We do not need to expand the military financially or structurally. Another Packard Commission type approach is much needed, but how much do you think they will find? I sincerely hope there's not $400 hammers and $600 toilet seats out there again, and doubt it. Overspending is hidden in Raytheon's balance sheet and would be very tough to root out.

The effective tax rate has fluctuated under 3% in the 30 years since 1980 for everyone but those in the top 10%. We are in no different situation tax-wise as individuals as we have been since Carter.

Your taxes won't go up a dime 2011- in fact they probably will go down. Obama's tax plan affects those making over $250k and corporations which had cuts under the Bush administration.

I don't care about some hokey campaign slogan. Quite frankly, his "programs" outside of healthcare reform are pretty industry standard.

China would be toast in a matter of days.

Jesus, people.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by philcski

LOL. I thought it was an insane post too until I figured out it was sarcasm.
Precisely. The military's might served no purpose in 9/11, and that is no knock against it, because with all the best intelligence in the world we could not have known that was the time. There was nothing they could do. I should have died that day, believe me I'm all for national security against terrorism. We are fighting a different war now, an information war. Sourcing and sorting credible leads doesn't take guns and tanks, it takes information technology and code cracking geniuses.

We are not at war with China- and probably never will be in my or your lifetime. We are not at war with Iran. We do not need to expand the military financially or structurally. Another Packard Commission type approach is much needed, but how much do you think they will find? I sincerely hope there's not $400 hammers and $600 toilet seats out there again, and doubt it. Overspending is hidden in Raytheon's balance sheet and would be very tough to root out.

The effective tax rate has fluctuated under 3% in the 30 years since 1980 for everyone but those in the top 10%. We are in no different situation tax-wise as individuals as we have been since Carter.

Your taxes won't go up a dime 2011- in fact they probably will go down. Obama's tax plan affects those making over $250k and corporations which had cuts under the Bush administration.

I don't care about some hokey campaign slogan. Quite frankly, his "programs" outside of healthcare reform are pretty industry standard.

Technology and keeping up with it costs a LOT of money. It's probably more expensive than weaponry.

Don't ever think for a minute that China and/or Iran won't go to war with us or practice some form of terrorism.

I already said that Obama will probably hold true to his promise of not raising taxes, but new taxes will be imposed. How do you explain VAT being proposed. That's not in place of any current tax. It's a NEW tax.

I don't have much hope for the future of this country if it stays on its current socialistic, big government, tax, tax, tax, screw the military agenda. But, it's not my future any longer. Hopefully, the changes won't affect me given my "old" age. But, I'm happy to hear that you are comfortable with the way things are going. I hope you continue on the path to success, financial stability, and well-being.

[clyde]

After reading a few of the ...oratories here,I harken back to a documentery I saw on my-tubey sometime ago about insane asylums.

Small wonder.




Anyways---- won't forget the inmate who was heard to say.."I've been here 7 years.The pills don't work anymore.I hate this place."


He was probably the sanest person in that building at that point in time...funny,too,without meaning to be.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Technology and keeping up with it costs a LOT of money. It's probably more expensive than weaponry.

Don't ever think for a minute that China and/or Iran won't go to war with us or practice some form of terrorism.

I already said that Obama will probably hold true to his promise of not raising taxes, but new taxes will be imposed. How do you explain VAT being proposed. That's not in place of any current tax. It's a NEW tax.

I don't have much hope for the future of this country if it stays on its current socialistic, big government, tax, tax, tax, screw the military agenda. But, it's not my future any longer. Hopefully, the changes won't affect me given my "old" age. But, I'm happy to hear that you are comfortable with the way things are going. I hope you continue on the path to success, financial stability, and well-being.

There is a 0% chance China would ever attack us. NONE. We account for approximately 20-25% of their GDP in terms of direct investments and exports. It would be a social and economic debacle of historic proportions.

Weaponry hasn't changed much in 40 years since Vietnam. The M16A1 rifle still remains the stock over the shoulder choice, why do we continue to buy new ones? The Browning .50 Caliber has been the heavy machine gun of choice since WWII and still in use with very little improvements, why do we need to buy new ones? The M48 Patton has been the tank of choice for years, and still works just fine, why spend money developing new ones? How about spending that money on retraining foot soldiers as antiterrorism information agents? Computers cost $500 apiece these days. Developing information databases and spy software isn't expensive in relative terms. If our military costs were cut in half we'd still have far and away the best and most powerful armed forces in the world by an exponential amount.

There is nothing socialistic about this country. 10% of the country still controls 80% of the wealth, which is as anti-socialistic ideals as you can get.

The biggest government program by all measures is the military. So how can you say we have "big government" and the military "is getting screwed" at the same time?!? How can we spend more money without raising taxes? Where does it get saved or redistributed?

VAT has no chance of getting passed in the next 5-10 years. It's a buzzword to get people riled up.

[Princess Doreen]

You keep dreaming, philcski. Maybe someday you'll wake up and smell the coffee.

I'm done on this topic. Said all I have to say. To say anything more would be in defense of what I've said already, and I'm not into defending my opinions.

I've got some bigger things in my personal life that I have to attend to. I've been a member of this forum for nearly 4 years. I hardly ever post to it because frankly - 3/4's of the time I don't know what the heck people are talking about. It seems like a secret society, at times. And, analyzing all that's been said here, the same thing applies. I don't understand what a lot of people are saying, and they accuse me of the same.

The difference is - I couldn't care less. Right is RIGHT.

I shall drag my knuckles back to my cave and leave y'all with smart azz remarks to say in response. Some of you need the last word. I do not.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

I'm not into defending my opinions.

We're going to be invaded by fish!

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

You keep dreaming, philcski. Maybe someday you'll wake up and smell the coffee.

I'm done on this topic. Said all I have to say. To say anything more would be in defense of what I've said already, and I'm not into defending my opinions.

I've got some bigger things in my personal life that I have to attend to. I've been a member of this forum for nearly 4 years. I hardly ever post to it because frankly - 3/4's of the time I don't know what the heck people are talking about. It seems like a secret society, at times. And, analyzing all that's been said here, the same thing applies. I don't understand what a lot of people are saying, and they accuse me of the same.

The difference is - I couldn't care less. Right is RIGHT.

I shall drag my knuckles back to my cave and leave y'all with smart azz remarks to say in response. Some of you need the last word. I do not.

What am I dreaming about? What do I need to "wake up and smell the coffee" on?

Picture FROM TODAY!
Looks like China is ready to push the button

I am not accusing you of anything other than having misguided information, nor am I trying to get in a "last word". A lot of the stuff you have said just simply isn't true and I've given you the facts to dispute them, but you don't seem to care. You said you're an "informed voter" but then when presented with the facts you don't seem to digest them. It goes right back to what you want to believe.

Right is RIGHT alright- the extreme Right doesn't seem to listen or care to anyone else, even when presented with factual information that conflict their beliefs, just like the extreme Left.

It looks like Obama is getting on his knees.

[timmgirvan]

Well,Philski, I hope you're right about the VAT not being passed. As far as America being socialist...it's not now but it's moving that way with the redistribution of wealth projects that Obama has going.
Oh, about China.....they don't have to attack us militarily...they just have to call in all our debt to them, and it's over.
About the healthcare reform and it's cost to us...if they indeed do start to count our insurance as wages or income, there will be no wiggle room at all for most people economically.