Help John McCain with his retirement

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your funny little name for the President is cute in certain circles I suppose, but yes, make no mistake Obama's birth certificate has been out during the campaign, people have actually seen it, and it has been verified by the Hawaiian officials. You can see it on Snopes, etc.

I can't believe you are a birther!

That's not exactly true. The document posted on-line is not a birth certificate. It is a state certificate of birth but it's not an actual birth certificate. Obama refueses to have his actual birth certificate released.

Here is an article about it. This article is totally on Obama's side. The article makes fun of the birthers and thinks the whole issue is absurd. However, the article does admit that the official birth certificate has not been released. If there is nothing to this whole controversy, I don't know why Obama doesn't just release the real birth certificate and shut everyone up.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...te-hawaii.html

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That's not exactly true. The document posted on-line is not a birth certificate. It is a state certificate of birth but it's not an actual birth certificate. Obama refueses to have his actual birth certificate released.

Here is an article about it. This article is totally on Obama's side. The article makes fun of the birthers and thinks the whole issue is absurd. However, the article does admit that the official birth certificate has not been released. If there is nothing to this whole controversy, I don't know why Obama doesn't just release the real birth certificate and shut everyone up.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...te-hawaii.html

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp


i can't believe this is still being brought up as relevant. the certificate you claim isn't a 'real' one sounds just like the one i got for my daughter, and she most definitely was born in maryland.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp


i can't believe this is still being brought up as relevant. the certificate you claim isn't a 'real' one sounds just like the one i got for my daughter, and she most definitely was born in maryland.

I know, of all the thing that can be actually said about Obama, people choose the birth certificate... makes the far righties look like idiots really.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp


i can't believe this is still being brought up as relevant. the certificate you claim isn't a 'real' one sounds just like the one i got for my daughter, and she most definitely was born in maryland.

I never "claimed it isn't a real one". I stated the fact that the document released is not an actual full-length birth certificate. Is that relevant? I don't know.

I do know that Obama refuses to release his actual full-length birth certificate. Every time someone sues to force him to release it, his lawyers go to court and fight tooth and nail to keep it from being made public.

I have no idea where Obama was born. I assume he was born in Hawaii but it seems pretty suspicious that he is spending tons of money on lawyers to make sure that his full-length birth certificate is not released. Why doesn't he just release it and end the controversy? Wouldn't that be easier than constantly going to court?

Do you have a theory on why Obama has been spending tens of thousands, if not millions of dollars on lawyers to battle in court to make sure his full-length birth certificate is not made public?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I never "claimed it isn't a real one". I stated the fact that the document released is not an actual full-length birth certificate. Is that relevant? I don't know.

I do know that Obama refuses to release his actual full-length birth certificate. Every time someone sues to force him to release it, his lawyers go to court and fight tooth and nail to keep it from being made public.

I have no idea where Obama was born. I assume he was born in Hawaii but it seems pretty suspicious that he is spending tons of money on lawyers to make sure that his full-length birth certificate is not released. Why doesn't he just release it and end the controversy? Wouldn't that be easier than constantly going to court?

Do you have a theory on why Obama has been spending tens of thousands, if not millions of dollars on lawyers to battle in court to make sure his full-length birth certificate is not made public?

i think it's an effort to keep the birther movement around so he can use it to paint all conservatives as conspiracy obsessed wack jobs by association.

face it. nothing will convince birthers. nothing.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i think it's an effort to keep the birther movement around so he can use it to paint all conservatives as conspiracy obsessed wack jobs by association.

face it. nothing will convince birthers. nothing.

There will always be conspiracy theorists out there. There are people that think the US was behind 9/11. So I agree with you that some people would continue to claim Obama was born in Kenya even if he agreed to release his long-form birth certificate.

Releasing it may not shut everyone up. But I think it would shut most people up and more importantly it would put an end to all the lawsuits. People are going to court in all different states and demanding that the full-lengths birth certificate be released. Obama is then forced to send lawyers to all different states in each one of these cases and say that the plaintiffs have no standing to order the release of the birth certificate.

Obama could end all the lawsuits by simply releasing the full-length birth certificate.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

There will always be conspiracy theorists out there. There are people that think the US was behind 9/11. So I agree with you that some people would continue to claim Obama was born in Kenya even if he agreed to release his long-form birth certificate.

Releasing it may not shut everyone up. But I think it would shut most people up and more importantly it would put an end to all the lawsuits. People are going to court in all different states and demanding that the full-lengths birth certificate be released. Obama is then forced to send lawyers to all different states in each one of these cases and say that the plaintiffs have no standing to order the release of the birth certificate.

Obama could end all the lawsuits by simply releasing the full-length birth certificate.

it wouldn't shut anyone up who still wastes a breath on this in february 2010. if you're still talking about obama's birth certificate now, you'll just move on to "it's a forgery and that's why they wouldn't release if for so long" should you ever get the long form.

i'll say it again. no evidence will ever convince a birther. none.

in the meantime, i'm sure the white house finds it useful to have seriously deluded people on the outskirts of tea party events. nothing beats a picture of the guy in a tin foil hat throwing his arms around your opponent.

[Danzig]

everything is a conspiracy......


don't you think, if there was anything to this, that someone would have uncovered that by now? hell, look at john edwards. the 'real' media ignored the enquirer when all that first came out-look who ended up vindicated. a 'rag mag'.


i neither know, nor care, why the whole certificate hasn't been produced. i think it's much ado about nothing, and not worth worrying about. it's a moot point.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it wouldn't shut anyone up who still wastes a breath on this in february 2010. if you're still talking about obama's birth certificate now, you'll just move on to "it's a forgery and that's why they wouldn't release if for so long" should you ever get the long form.

i'll say it again. no evidence will ever convince a birther. none.

in the meantime, i'm sure the white house finds it useful to have seriously deluded people on the outskirts of tea party events. nothing beats a picture of the guy in a tin foil hat throwing his arms around your opponent.

I think that's pretty silly to say that nothing will convince any of the "birthers". I agree with you that are a few die-hard birthers that will never be convinced. But I think the majority of birthers only became birthers because Obama has gone to such great lengths to make sure his certificate is not released.

I'm not a big conspiracy guy but the whole thing has even made me suspicious. When this whole story first started, I figured Obama would release the certificate and prove that the allegations of him being born in Kenya were nonsense. But even after people started suing, he still refused to release it. That would even make a rational person a little suspicious.

[Riot]

John McCain was NOT born in the United States. Why the birthers are not going ballistic over that is a mystery.

Oh, wait. It's not.