Obama and Republicans debate for over an hour

[Danzig]

Yay they debated......but our problems remain. Deeds not words and all that rot. I just wish both sides would quit worrying about sound bites and what side came up with what and move us forward. We're increasingly becoming victims of our two party system

[Riot]

The uniqueness of this event was that it wasn't about "sound bites" (the President destroyed any chance the GOP would get any out of this).

It was about truth. It was about moving forward. It was bringing together a two-party system, making each side - yeah, Obama included the Dems - responsible for what they say, and DO, or do not do, in Congress. In public.

The GOP Congressional elite stood up and read prepared context, directly to the Prez's face, all the nonsense we've been hearing for the past year - the Prez didn't do this, he didn't listen to them, he didn't read their plans, they have a healthcare plan that will do this, tax cuts, the economy, yak, yak, yak.

He destroyed them with the truth and reality. There were 140 of them, and they were free to publically call him out on anything that he said that wasn't true. They couldn't do it. He knew more about their plans and talking points than they did. He pointed out exactly where they were lying to their constituents, where GOP stuff has indeed been adopted in the past year (tax cuts, health care, etc) . He called them out for boxing themselves into a corner politically, making it impossible for them to be bipartisan in the least.

The last thing this was, was another tepid "political talking points political" redeux.

[Riot]

From WSJ:

At least half a dozen leaders of the Republican Party have joined forces to create a new political group with the goal of organizing grass-roots support and raising funds ahead of the 2010 midterm elections, according to people familiar with the effort.

The organizational details of the group, expected to be called the American Action Network, are still being worked out, but it is expected to contain both a 501(c)3 and a 501(c)4 component. In simpler terms, a 501(c)3 can advocate on policy matters while a 501(c)4 is an election arm.

Republican leaders expected to be affiliated with the group include former Minnesota Sen. Norm Coleman, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, former Bush adviser Karl Rove, Republican strategist Ed Gillespie, and Republican donor Fred Malek.

A House leadership aide told Washington Wire today that Rob Collins, a political operative and senior aide to House Minority Whip Eric Cantor of Virginia, is leaving Capitol Hill to be the executive director of the 501(c)4.

People familiar with the group said the American Action Network sprung in part out of an unsuccessful effort last year by Republicans called the National Council for a New America which was intended to help redefine the tarnished party brand after the 2008 elections.

Party leaders have found renewed buoyancy following a series of recent election victories and as Republicans stand poised to make further gains in the 2010 elections.

However, Republicans have faced difficulties in recent years to create outside groups to compete with Democratic counterparts like MoveOn. A recent example of those unsuccessful efforts was Freedom’s Watch, a group operated by former Bush administration aides, which sought to be a major player in the 2008 campaign cycle but failed to make a significant impact. It also faced financial and organizational difficulties and closed its doors after the 2008 elections.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

The uniqueness of this event was that it wasn't about "sound bites" (the President destroyed any chance the GOP would get any out of this).

It was about truth. It was about moving forward. It was bringing together a two-party system, making each side - yeah, Obama included the Dems - responsible for what they say, and DO, or do not do, in Congress. In public.

The GOP Congressional elite stood up and read prepared context, directly to the Prez's face, all the nonsense we've been hearing for the past year - the Prez didn't do this, he didn't listen to them, he didn't read their plans, they have a healthcare plan that will do this, tax cuts, the economy, yak, yak, yak.

He destroyed them with the truth and reality. There were 140 of them, and they were free to publically call him out on anything that he said that wasn't true. They couldn't do it. He knew more about their plans and talking points than they did. He pointed out exactly where they were lying to their constituents, where GOP stuff has indeed been adopted in the past year (tax cuts, health care, etc) . He called them out for boxing themselves into a corner politically, making it impossible for them to be bipartisan in the least.

The last thing this was, was another tepid "political talking points political" redeux.

LOL!! this is the typical Riot post. We all know he can talk his way out of ANYTHING.. truth & reality??? LOL coming from a Chicago politician.

He has been the opposite of bipartisan. Remember "we won you guys have to deal with it"?? and the Dem's had a super majority, still couldnt pass their crap healthcare plan, and its the Republicans fault that the dems cant get anything done.

[ArlJim78]

Obama wants to be bi-partisan now? how come last fall he quipped that he didn't want to hear anything from the other side because they created the mess?

how come he didn't encourage congress to work with or consult Republicans instead of slamming the door on them literally and figuratively? only now that it is clear that even with any number of bribes he still cannot even get his own party on board with his major initiatives, does he reach out to Republicans. actually it wasn't a reaching out, it was a scolding where he came across like a pompous ass again.

for you groupies who still haven't caught on to this scam, Obama takes every charge against him and runs with it, says he's against it when he actually does the opposite. He's a walking contradiction and the biggest liar ever in that office.

He ran against earmarks, lambasting McCain about it. Said he would go line by line through the budget and eliminate waste. The reality is of course that he passed and will pass everything single earmark that comes his way.

He runs against the Bush record of high debt (lol) and irresponsible budgets. The reality is there has never been a bigger spender than Obama and he has put on on a course for debt like we have never seen. As a senator he voted for every spending measure that he now claims were irresponsible for Bush to sign

He said that lobbyists would have no role in his administration, and yet they're everywhere in his adminsitration.

He railed against the recent supreme court ruling because it would allow money to come in from big business and foreign governments (which as a constitutional professor he should have known was false) when he was the first presidential candidate ever to forego public financing exactly for the reason that he was able to reel in so much money from big business and foreign entities.

he repeatedly lied about the healthcare bill saying that, "If you like your insurance, nobody is going to take it away, you can keep it". He knew this was false all along as the plan they created would force insurers and employers to drop the current plans, and only during this heart-felt "debate" did he finally let it slip that this was true. He said that some things got slipped in that might cause you to lose your current plan. of course maybe none of you caught that little nugget.

he has issued deadline after deadline for Iran but they pass by one after another with no action.

He opposed the troop surge in Iraq and didn't support the war, and now in the SOTU address has the gall to say that as a candidate he promised to end the war in Iraq and he has done so. The fact is the war had ended before he became president, the troop pullback was scheduled before he was in office, and this only occured because Bush did not take his advice. This was the one part of his speech that he didn't blame on Bush and that he had nothing to do with. So of course he pats himself on the back and doesn't mention Bush at all.

and on and on. I challenge anyone to come up with anything he says that is factual. There are no examples of Obama telling the truth that I'm aware of.

[ArlJim78]

a couple more obvious ones;

"all these negociations will be on CSPAN so you can see who is acting on behalf of the people". of course none of them were on CSPAN as all the deals were cut behind closed with big labor, big corporations, and with the deal for senators like Ben Nelson. they were all brokered in secret with no camera's on site.

then he was against a budget freeze in the campaign lambasting McCain for proposing it. Now he comes out with a budget freeze! Of course its a sham because he's freezing only a sliver of the budget at 2010's level which already included a big increase last year. So it amounts to nothing but hot air, a stunt.

last week he's a deficit hawk going to work on a commision or something way down the road, but in the meantime today a forklift was used to deliver a copy of his budget to congress. a complete fraud.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Obama wants to be bi-partisan now? how come last fall he quipped that he didn't want to hear anything from the other side because they created the mess?

how come he didn't encourage congress to work with or consult Republicans instead of slamming the door on them literally and figuratively? only now that it is clear that even with any number of bribes he still cannot even get his own party on board with his major initiatives, does he reach out to Republicans. actually it wasn't a reaching out, it was a scolding where he came across like a pompous ass again.

for you groupies who still haven't caught on to this scam, Obama takes every charge against him and runs with it, says he's against it when he actually does the opposite. He's a walking contradiction and the biggest liar ever in that office.

He ran against earmarks, lambasting McCain about it. Said he would go line by line through the budget and eliminate waste. The reality is of course that he passed and will pass everything single earmark that comes his way.

He runs against the Bush record of high debt (lol) and irresponsible budgets. The reality is there has never been a bigger spender than Obama and he has put on on a course for debt like we have never seen. As a senator he voted for every spending measure that he now claims were irresponsible for Bush to sign

He said that lobbyists would have no role in his administration, and yet they're everywhere in his adminsitration.

He railed against the recent supreme court ruling because it would allow money to come in from big business and foreign governments (which as a constitutional professor he should have known was false) when he was the first presidential candidate ever to forego public financing exactly for the reason that he was able to reel in so much money from big business and foreign entities.

he repeatedly lied about the healthcare bill saying that, "If you like your insurance, nobody is going to take it away, you can keep it". He knew this was false all along as the plan they created would force insurers and employers to drop the current plans, and only during this heart-felt "debate" did he finally let it slip that this was true. He said that some things got slipped in that might cause you to lose your current plan. of course maybe none of you caught that little nugget.

he has issued deadline after deadline for Iran but they pass by one after another with no action.

He opposed the troop surge in Iraq and didn't support the war, and now in the SOTU address has the gall to say that as a candidate he promised to end the war in Iraq and he has done so. The fact is the war had ended before he became president, the troop pullback was scheduled before he was in office, and this only occured because Bush did not take his advice. This was the one part of his speech that he didn't blame on Bush and that he had nothing to do with. So of course he pats himself on the back and doesn't mention Bush at all.

and on and on. I challenge anyone to come up with anything he says that is factual. There are no examples of Obama telling the truth that I'm aware of.

Af course O'Dumbass wont do anything about Iran. Isnt thier alot of Muslins in that country? Isn't O'Dumbass a Muslin? When he campaigned I didnt believe anything out of his mouth like the majority of the American public did. The majority got what they wanted and I hope thier happy with the way this country is getting ruined day after day by the worthless liar we have as President. You would think that the recent elections in Virginia, New Jersey, and Massachusetts would show O'Dumbass that the American public are already tired of the way the Democratic party is doint thier back door deals and bribing the Senators from Louisiana and Nebraska. Hopefully Pelosi is next and then O'Dumbass. Funny how O'Dumbass is kissing the Republicans ass right now.

[Riot]

Seriously - if we are gonna talk about what Obama said to the Republicans, ya gotta at least have seen it

I get the boilerplate GOP talking points in my Mitch McConnell e-mails.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Riot

Seriously - if we are gonna talk about what Obama said to the Republicans, ya gotta at least have seen it

I get the boilerplate GOP talking points in my Mitch McConnell e-mails.

i admire that you never tire of trying to make sense in the face on an unending onslaught of nonsense.

i look at a nascar post and get whiplash.

+1 reputation.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Af course O'Dumbass wont do anything about Iran. Isnt thier alot of Muslins in that country? Isn't O'Dumbass a Muslin? When he campaigned I didnt believe anything out of his mouth like the majority of the American public did. The majority got what they wanted and I hope thier happy with the way this country is getting ruined day after day by the worthless liar we have as President. You would think that the recent elections in Virginia, New Jersey, and Massachusetts would show O'Dumbass that the American public are already tired of the way the Democratic party is doint thier back door deals and bribing the Senators from Louisiana and Nebraska. Hopefully Pelosi is next and then O'Dumbass. Funny how O'Dumbass is kissing the Republicans ass right now.

We should go to I-RAN and bomb the mocks wear them muslins prey.

Nascar- you have every right to call someone a dumbass! More power to you.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

We should go to I-RAN and bomb the mocks wear them muslins prey.

I laughed

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

We should go to I-RAN and bomb the mocks wear them muslins prey.

Nascar- you have every right to call someone a dumbass! More power to you.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

We should go to I-RAN and bomb the mocks wear them muslins prey.

Nascar- you have every right to call someone a dumbass! More power to you.

Thank You.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Af course O'Dumbass wont do anything about Iran. Isnt thier alot of Muslins in that country? Isn't O'Dumbass a Muslin?

Right on. Keep speaking the truth.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Yay they debated......but our problems remain. Deeds not words and all that rot. I just wish both sides would quit worrying about sound bites and what side came up with what and move us forward. We're increasingly becoming victims of our two party system

Exactly, actions speak louder than words. Everyone knows that Obama is the best with words.. but the actions, or inactions are what actually matters, and so far Obama has shown he's not much, other than more of Bush on steriods.