Mandatory Healthcare?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Honu

I just want to know how an almost bankrupt government that is most likely going to have to ask for money from bankrupt banks is going to pay for the "right for all Americans" to have health insurance. Tell me how this is going to work out.

Especially when millions of Americans still wont be covered.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Especially when millions of Americans still wont be covered.

But 31 million, uncovered now, will be.

That's wonderful. Terrific. The moment this bill passes, starting January 1 2010, insurance companies will no longer be able to dump sick children (cancer, etc) due to reaching lifetime limits of coverage during their childhood.

This is America. We take care of our own - or at least I think we should.

I just found this, a good, simple listing of what is in the Senate bill:
http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/1...other-aspects/

[alysheba4]

its fantastic, the gov. running health care....how can things be better

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

its fantastic, the gov. running health care....how can things be better

To the Congress:





The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775 - you have had 234 years to
get it right; it is broke.

Social Security was established in 1935 - you have had 74 years to get it
right; it is broke.


Fannie Mae was established in 1938 - you have had 71 years to get it right;
it is broke.

The "War on Poverty" started in 1964 - you have had 45 years to get it
right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor"; it hasn't worked and our entire country is broke.

Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - you've had 44 years to get
it right; they are broke

Freddie Mac was established in 1970 - you have had 39 years to get it right;
it is broke.

Billions of dollars were spent in the massive political payoffs called
TARP, the "Stimulus", the Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009.... none show
any signs of working, although ACORN appears to have found a new source: the American taxpayer.

"Cash for Clunkers" was established in 2009 and went broke in 2009! It took
cars (that were the best some people could afford) and replaced them with
high-priced and less-affordable cars, mostly Japanese. A good percentage of
the profits went out of the country. And the American taxpayers take the hit
for Congress' generosity in burning three billion more of our dollars on
failed experiments.

So with a perfect 100% failure rate and a record that proves that "services"
you shove down our throats are failing faster and faster, you want Americans
to believe you can be trusted with a government-run health care system?
20% of our entire economy?


With all due respect,

Are you crazy?

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by witchdoctor

To the Congress:





The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775 - you have had 234 years to
get it right; it is broke.

Social Security was established in 1935 - you have had 74 years to get it
right; it is broke.


Fannie Mae was established in 1938 - you have had 71 years to get it right;
it is broke.

The "War on Poverty" started in 1964 - you have had 45 years to get it
right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor"; it hasn't worked and our entire country is broke.

Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - you've had 44 years to get
it right; they are broke

Freddie Mac was established in 1970 - you have had 39 years to get it right;
it is broke.

Billions of dollars were spent in the massive political payoffs called
TARP, the "Stimulus", the Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009.... none show
any signs of working, although ACORN appears to have found a new source: the American taxpayer.

"Cash for Clunkers" was established in 2009 and went broke in 2009! It took
cars (that were the best some people could afford) and replaced them with
high-priced and less-affordable cars, mostly Japanese. A good percentage of
the profits went out of the country. And the American taxpayers take the hit
for Congress' generosity in burning three billion more of our dollars on
failed experiments.

So with a perfect 100% failure rate and a record that proves that "services"
you shove down our throats are failing faster and faster, you want Americans
to believe you can be trusted with a government-run health care system?
20% of our entire economy?


With all due respect,

Are you crazy?

......preaching to the choir which dr.

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

......preaching to the choir which dr.

Can I get an AMEN?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by witchdoctor

To the Congress:





The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775 - you have had 234 years to
get it right; it is broke.

Social Security was established in 1935 - you have had 74 years to get it
right; it is broke.


Fannie Mae was established in 1938 - you have had 71 years to get it right;
it is broke.

The "War on Poverty" started in 1964 - you have had 45 years to get it
right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor"; it hasn't worked and our entire country is broke.

Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - you've had 44 years to get
it right; they are broke

Freddie Mac was established in 1970 - you have had 39 years to get it right;
it is broke.

Billions of dollars were spent in the massive political payoffs called
TARP, the "Stimulus", the Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009.... none show
any signs of working, although ACORN appears to have found a new source: the American taxpayer.

"Cash for Clunkers" was established in 2009 and went broke in 2009! It took
cars (that were the best some people could afford) and replaced them with
high-priced and less-affordable cars, mostly Japanese. A good percentage of
the profits went out of the country. And the American taxpayers take the hit
for Congress' generosity in burning three billion more of our dollars on
failed experiments.

So with a perfect 100% failure rate and a record that proves that "services"
you shove down our throats are failing faster and faster, you want Americans
to believe you can be trusted with a government-run health care system?
20% of our entire economy?


With all due respect,

Are you crazy?

Obamacare will not only work it will reduce the budget deficet by hundreds of billions.

Think about that statement for a minute.


How in the world does anyone believe this can possibly be true? It is laughable to not only believe that this program will work but actually save money!


It will lead to massive bleeding for the Democratic party for the next 10 years or so.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Obamacare will not only work it will reduce the budget deficet by hundreds of billions.

Think about that statement for a minute.


How in the world does anyone believe this can possibly be true? It is laughable to not only believe that this program will work but actually save money!


It will lead to massive bleeding for the Democratic party for the next 10 years or so.

and that is nothing compared to the bleeding the younger generations will have to deal with for the rest of their lives. We will bleed literally waiting 3 months for specialist treatment, and our pockets will bleed with incredible taxes and inflation.

Thank you Democrats!! I'll remember to vote for you guys in the next election!

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Thank you Democrats!! I'll remember to vote for you guys in the next election! [/quote]
thats 1 for the team..and if 1 vote can be turned on a horsey board ,then 10 can be turned on the drf message board, and if 10 can be ...lol thats how o'samas speeches were ..right out of the mlk playbook.. and fyi my 20 yr old college student was a huge supporter of him..now its we were lied too..lol told ya so...

[Riot]

So with a perfect 100% failure rate and a record that proves that "services"
you shove down our throats are failing faster and faster, you want Americans
to believe you can be trusted with a government-run health care system?
20% of our entire economy?

If anybody thinks the American government, and the services it provides us, is a 100% failure, I suggest you leave this country and go elsewhere, where it is better.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

If anybody thinks the American government, and the services it provides us, is a 100% failure, I suggest you leave this country and go elsewhere, where it is better.

accusing the govt of being less than efficient isn't unpatriotic. altho ours isn't the best, it's still better than anything else.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

accusing the govt of being less than efficient isn't unpatriotic. altho ours isn't the best, it's still better than anything else.

Yes, but saying it's a 100% failure is beyond ridiculous, and our country fairly deserves far better than that assessment.

There are plenty of successionists around, and maybe they should.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

If anybody thinks the American government, and the services it provides us, is a 100% failure, I suggest you leave this country and go elsewhere, where it is better.

well thats rich..if you have have never worn the uniform of our military in the countrys defence as i have you should shut your pie hole.. under this president the country is on the cusp of failure.. i would like to hear your retort on this matter..oh thats right you were never in the military or gave years of your life defending the rights of morons like you to have a opinion ..so i guess your opinion means ****..

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

well thats rich..if you have have never worn the uniform of our military in the countrys defence as i have you should shut your pie hole.. under this president the country is on the cusp of failure.. i would like to hear your retort on this matter..oh thats right you were never in the military or gave years of your life defending the rights of morons like you to have a opinion ..so i guess your opinion means ****..

we aren't spartans, hooves.

you fought under a civilian commander in chief, as did every other member of the armed forces.

don't throw your service into the pot like a cheap poker chip in a penny ante game. it's worth more than that. and whether you like it or not, you served to protect the right of everyone in this country to express an opinion.

nancy pelosi and rush limbaugh. acorn activist and teabagger.

you get one vote like everyone else.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

well thats rich..if you have have never worn the uniform of our military in the countrys defence as i have you should shut your pie hole.. under this president the country is on the cusp of failure.. i would like to hear your retort on this matter..oh thats right you were never in the military or gave years of your life defending the rights of morons like you to have a opinion ..so i guess your opinion means ****..

You think only people who have served get a voice? Sorry. Everyone does. If you've served, I have great respect for that. I've lost people I knew in Viet Nam, and have relatives and friends who are lifetime military. Few are not touched by that.

But don't hold yourself up as more worthy of an opinion about this country than any other American. You think this President is putting this country on the cusp of failure, well plenty of other people do not, including me. You think anyone who disagrees with you is a moron? That says far more about you than the people you diss.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

But 31 million, uncovered now, will be.

That's wonderful. Terrific. The moment this bill passes, starting January 1 2010, insurance companies will no longer be able to dump sick children (cancer, etc) due to reaching lifetime limits of coverage during their childhood.

This is America. We take care of our own - or at least I think we should.

I just found this, a good, simple listing of what is in the Senate bill:
http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/1...other-aspects/

31 million is not an accurate number. That is a best case, if everything works out perfect number.

America takes care of their own unless they can already take care of themselves. Then you need to have your good fortune redistributed.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

But 31 million, uncovered now, will be.

That's wonderful. Terrific. The moment this bill passes, starting January 1 2010, insurance companies will no longer be able to dump sick children (cancer, etc) due to reaching lifetime limits of coverage during their childhood.

This is America. We take care of our own - or at least I think we should.

I just found this, a good, simple listing of what is in the Senate bill:
http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/1...other-aspects/

I think you have a simple disagreement in goals going on here. If these people fighting you don't seem interested in the improvements you're mentioning, it's because they don't value these things. They value exclusivity. They aren't interested in changes that make for a more decent (civil) society at all. They don't value that, and there is nothing that can be done to make them better people. They are selfish, and forcing companies to treat people in a decent way isn't going to interest them very much. Do they seem interested? They are what they are. You can't change selfish minds with arguments that have a payoff that involves protecting all citizens from a poor outcome. They aren't highly interested in that. Notice how these consumer protections haven't thrilled them? They lack the values that are necessary for one to be able to cherish such important consumer protections.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I think you have a simple disagreement in goals going on here. If these people fighting you don't seem interested in the improvements you're mentioning, it's because they don't value these things. They value exclusivity. They aren't interested in changes that make for a more decent (civil) society at all. They don't value that, and there is nothing that can be done to make them better people. They are selfish, and forcing companies to treat people in a decent way isn't going to interest them very much. Do they seem interested? They are what they are. You can't change selfish minds with arguments that have a payoff that involves protecting all citizens from a poor outcome. They aren't highly interested in that. Notice how these consumer protections haven't thrilled them? They lack the values that are necessary for one to be able to cherish such important consumer protections.

lol
i have what i have because i worked for it. forgive me for believing that other people who want what i have can have it too. they can work for it just like i did and continue to do. i don't feel guilty because i think everyone who looks at what i've earned and wants it should work for it just like i did. no one has given me a thing. i've worked for it, it's mine. so, yeah, you're right. i don't want to give others my stuff. i want them to get it for themselves just like i did. how is that wrong? i didn't get a leg up, no free rides from anyone. why do others feel they should get what i've earned, without earning it?! my husband and i pay 187 every two weeks for health insurance. it was never a discussion of whether we could afford it, it was and is a necessity for us and our children. problem is, others such as some people who work for me, choose not to take out the health insurance available. but now i'm supposed to watch my costs and taxes skyrocket because a guy would rather buy chewing tobacco then pay for health insurance? he can't afford the one, but he can afford the other? and i'm supposed to feel bad if he gets the flu and doesn't go to the doctor, and whines that he hasn't got insurance? he chose not to get it. the employees portion where i work for his coverage is 10 bucks a week, but he chose not to get it! gimme a break. yeah, he's cheated out his rightful share.

[Riot]

my husband and i pay 187 every two weeks for health insurance. it was never a discussion of whether we could afford it,

But what if it was $867 a month, with some medical problems and routine monthly medications you have to take not covered?

I had health insurance at a practice I worked at about 5 years ago, and it was employee matching and cheap, but when I left, the same insurance cost was nearly $1000 a month for me to purchase it and keep the same plan as an individual.

Please don't assume that everyone who does not have health insurance is chewing tobacco, managing their finances or priorities wrong. Sure, some are, but lots of hardworking people can't afford health insurance once they have a medical problem, especially if they have moved, changed jobs, have to change carriers. It all starts from scratch at that point as far as the insurance carrier goes.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

But what if it was $867 a month, with some medical problems and routine monthly medications you have to take not covered?

I had health insurance at a practice I worked at about 5 years ago, and it was employee matching and cheap, but when I left, the same insurance cost was nearly $1000 a month for me to purchase it and keep the same plan as an individual.

Please don't assume that everyone who does not have health insurance is chewing tobacco, managing their finances or priorities wrong. Sure, some are, but lots of hardworking people can't afford health insurance once they have a medical problem, especially if they have moved, changed jobs, have to change carriers. It all starts from scratch at that point as far as the insurance carrier goes.

Right and the best approach would have been insurance reform. Costs trillions less and can actually work. but i digress...