Obama excepts his Nobel prize

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by witchdoctor

So you're saying he isn't spending us into oblivion fast enough?

its a great thing he isnt making the "far left" happy. He should stay far away from the far left.

Eventhough IMO he is the far left.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

its a great thing he isnt making the "far left" happy. He should stay far away from the far left.

Eventhough IMO he is the far left.

I think most of us on the far left favor things like ending wars instead of escalating them, furthering gay rights instead of ignoring them, pushing for ACTUAL universal health care instead of some half-ass measure that won't accomplish much. etc. etc. etc.
This administration is far to the left of the previous administration....that's for sure. But that isn't much of a standard. Believe me when I tell you that many of us who actually are far lefties would not consider this administration to be acting in a very "liberal" way on a whole lot of issues.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I think most of us on the far left favor things like ending wars instead of escalating them, furthering gay rights instead of ignoring them, pushing for ACTUAL universal health care instead of some half-ass measure that won't accomplish much. etc. etc. etc.
This administration is far to the left of the previous administration....that's for sure. But that isn't much of a standard. Believe me when I tell you that many of us who actually are far lefties would not consider this administration to be acting in a very "liberal" way on a whole lot of issues.

He's been a douche to all the gays who voted for him thats for sure.

I think he's doing a good job with Iraq and Afghanistan, and thats about all that he's doing a good job with (except stem cell). The Iraq withdrawal stuff that Bush set up seems to be going okay. We cant just leave Afghanistan.. do you remember September 11th? There is a ton riding on winning in Afghanistan, it would be a mistake to think otherwise.


Universal Health Care would work if you are willing to give about 50% of your income to fed taxes and wait months and months to get a specialist appt, like it is in other countries with Universal Health Care.

Though if this health care plan wont accomplish much they better scrap it because its way too expensive. I am doubting that it will pass. Good ol' Lieberman will side with the GOP. Its weird that the dems are basically ignoring tort reform, something that would actually make a lot of difference, but they get too much $$ from the malpractice lawyers and dont have the balls tell them to fucl< off.

Not that a Repub would do any better really. They all suck.

He's definately left enough.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

He's been a douche to all the gays who voted for him thats for sure.

I think he's doing a good job with Iraq and Afghanistan, and thats about all that he's doing a good job with (except stem cell). The Iraq withdrawal stuff that Bush set up seems to be going okay. We cant just leave Afghanistan.. do you remember September 11th? There is a ton riding on winning in Afghanistan, it would be a mistake to think otherwise.


Universal Health Care would work if you are willing to give about 50% of your income to fed taxes and wait months and months to get a specialist appt, like it is in other countries with Universal Health Care.

Though if this health care plan wont accomplish much they better scrap it because its way too expensive. I am doubting that it will pass. Good ol' Lieberman will side with the GOP. Its weird that the dems are basically ignoring tort reform, something that would actually make a lot of difference, but they get too much $$ from the malpractice lawyers and dont have the balls tell them to fucl< off.

Not that a Repub would do any better really. They all suck.

He's definately left enough.

That's not how it really is....but whatever, that discussion has been had a thousand times.

On the issue of how far "left" this administration is, I just don't know that it makes sense to label them "far left" given how many politicians and people there are in the country who are way to the left of the administration's actions thus far.
If the current administration is far left, then what do you call Russ Feingold? Or better yet, what will you call the GBbob/brianwspencer 2016 ticket?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

That's not how it really is....but whatever, that discussion has been had a thousand times.

On the issue of how far "left" this administration is, I just don't know that it makes sense to label them "far left" given how many politicians and people there are in the country who are way to the left of the administration's actions thus far.
If the current administration is far left, then what do you call Russ Feingold? Or better yet, what will you call the GBbob/brianwspencer 2016 ticket?

Like Ive said many times also, I've lived in 2 countries with Universal Health care and it was EXACTLY like that. Very crappy health care too. But hey we can pretend its so grand.

Bob and BWS are both admited socialist... so thats what you can call left of far left!

I dont think Obama is a Socialist, but he is far left Democrat IMO. He's no blue dog.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Like Ive said many times also, I've lived in 2 countries with Universal Health care and it was EXACTLY like that. Very crappy health care too. But hey we can pretend its so grand.

Bob and BWS are both admited socialist... so thats what you can call left of far left!

I dont think Obama is a Socialist, but he is far left Democrat IMO. He's no blue dog.

if you asked obama, even he probably couldn't tell you whether he's left, far left, or more to the middle. i do know for every left leaning thing he says, he follows it up with a middle move to appeal to voters towards that end of the spectrum.
for example, he says DADT will be gone, that he wants it gone, but then he shows a right leaning bent by actually listening to a general and following his advice. that's certainly not a far left move. imo, he's just trying to stay above water with every segment of voters (after all, even if he's not far enough left, will any leftist NOT vote for him next time 'round?!) so that he can be re-elected.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if you asked obama, even he probably couldn't tell you whether he's left, far left, or more to the middle. i do know for every left leaning thing he says, he follows it up with a middle move to appeal to voters towards that end of the spectrum.
for example, he says DADT will be gone, that he wants it gone, but then he shows a right leaning bent by actually listening to a general and following his advice. that's certainly not a far left move. imo, he's just trying to stay above water with every segment of voters (after all, even if he's not far enough left, will any leftist NOT vote for him next time 'round?!) so that he can be re-elected.

He probably read Clinton's book.

I thought the majority of Generals feel that DADT should be gone? Waste of good men and women service members who get trained and serve just to be kicked out.

Oh thats right.. gays can only be queers and fa.gots, not good soldiers!!

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if you asked obama, even he probably couldn't tell you whether he's left, far left, or more to the middle. i do know for every left leaning thing he says, he follows it up with a middle move to appeal to voters towards that end of the spectrum.
for example, he says DADT will be gone, that he wants it gone, but then he shows a right leaning bent by actually listening to a general and following his advice. that's certainly not a far left move. imo, he's just trying to stay above water with every segment of voters (after all, even if he's not far enough left, will any leftist NOT vote for him next time 'round?!) so that he can be re-elected.

...a'wishin and a'hopin!