Obama to help Small Business

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I dont mind seeing change as long as it is for the good of our country. Nothing wrong with being a conservative.

Not at all

Interesting comment on how the identity of "conservatism" has changed in the past 40 years or so:

Excerpt from Geoffrey R. Stone 12/08/09 - "The Republican Struggle for 'Ascendency'"

It's interesting to ask what created this state of affairs. As we know from Thucydides, this is hardly a new problem. But it seems worse now than at any time in living memory. Several factors have contributed to the sharp polarization of American politics.

First, and perhaps most important, was the realignment of the Democratic and Republican parties beginning in the 1960s. Until then, neither party was defined by a clear ideology. The Democrats included many white Southerners, who were still so furious at the party of Lincoln for the Civil War and Reconstruction that they couldn't bring themselves to vote Republican.

The Republicans, on the other hand, included many socially-liberal individuals who favored the Republicans' generally conservative economic policies.

Thus, party identity did not conform sharply to "conservative" and "liberal" ideological beliefs. This complicated politics, but it also ensured that members of the two parties would often find themselves in agreement on important issues.

With the civil rights movement, however, Southern Democrats finally figured out that it was time to get over their anger with the Republicans, and they began to shift their political allegiance.

As the influx of Southern conservatives transformed the GOP, and as culture war issues began to inflame ideological differences on such emotional issues as abortion, homosexuality and gun control, socially-liberal Republicans found themselves increasingly estranged from their party and they gradually drifted over to the Democrats.

As a result, we now have two ideologically-defined parties, and partisan polarization is a logical consequence of this development.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffr..._b_384353.html

[Cannon Shell]

I shall reserve judgement on this "small business deal" till the details come out. tricky things those details. My number one question would be who is going to pay for all these new things? These people have proved themselves to be fairly incompetent with the numbers or just plain untruthful. So I will wait to see if small business will really receive a "tax credit" to offset the tax raise that the healthcare debacle will create.

As for Afganistan.....why the pullout date? I know, I know it wasnt really a pullout date....just a hint for his lefty friends that there may be a pullout at some time...

Honestly if these are things to rally around then that says a lot in itself...

[brianwspencer]

I am happy with this.

Because small businesses created, employ, and maintain 187% of the country's economy, which we've all learned here in the past.

In all seriousness though, if it works out the way it's "supposed" to, then it'll be a good thing. Though Chuck (sigh) actually has a point.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I am happy with this.

Because small businesses created, employ, and maintain 187% of the country's economy, which we've all learned here in the past.

In all seriousness though, if it works out the way it's "supposed" to, then it'll be a good thing. Though Chuck (sigh) actually has a point.

you dont always sigh when you think of me? Only when I have a good point?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I shall reserve judgement on this "small business deal" till the details come out. tricky things those details. My number one question would be who is going to pay for all these new things? These people have proved themselves to be fairly incompetent with the numbers or just plain untruthful. So I will wait to see if small business will really receive a "tax credit" to offset the tax raise that the healthcare debacle will create.

As for Afganistan.....why the pullout date? I know, I know it wasnt really a pullout date....just a hint for his lefty friends that there may be a pullout at some time...

Honestly if these are things to rally around then that says a lot in itself...

lol
when did we start fighting wars with a pre-planned ending? all that does is let the people we're trying to destroy know that they just have to hunker down and wait it out. we leave, they emerge. where did the attempt to fight a nice war ever come from? he may as well have just pulled out immediately.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I shall reserve judgement on this "small business deal" till the details come out. tricky things those details. My number one question would be who is going to pay for all these new things? These people have proved themselves to be fairly incompetent with the numbers or just plain untruthful. So I will wait to see if small business will really receive a "tax credit" to offset the tax raise that the healthcare debacle will create.

As for Afganistan.....why the pullout date? I know, I know it wasnt really a pullout date....just a hint for his lefty friends that there may be a pullout at some time...
Honestly if these are things to rally around then that says a lot in itself...

It was really just that.. I was watching Fox News and they were going over the detailed "pull out" plan and its basically the troops in the stables regions (there are like more than 40 regions or something) MAY start pulling out July 2011. The report basically said it will be years and years and years after that before we are totally out of there.

Its was just thrown out for his Liberal guys, and I am okay with that because the General also seems very fine with that.

[SOREHOOF]

I read somewhere that the new troops will be ordered to march into Afghanistan backwards, so that Obama's liberal base will think they are leaving the country.

[miraja2]

Given that small business owners are the only people in the country worth a damn, it is shocking that this action hasn't taken before.
I just hope that someday soon Congress will get around to passing a law which mandates people worship at the feet of small business owners at least 4 hours a day.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Given that small business owners are the only people in the country worth a damn, it is shocking that this action hasn't taken before.
I just hope that someday soon Congress will get around to passing a law which mandates people worship at the feet of small business owners at least 4 hours a day.

this post is incredibly ignorant.

lets see, facts from the GOVERNMENT:

- Small businesses make up more than 99.7% of all employers

- creates more than 50% of the nonfarm GDP

- 22.9 million small businesses in the USA

- employ 50% of all private sector workers

- make up 97% of exporters and produce 29% of all export value

- and lets see, the most important one in todays setting, small businesses create 75% of the net new jobs in our economy.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/busine.../sbatopten.htm


So yeah, small business is not important

[miraja2]

Oh dear god. Not these same old statistics again.
I know that small businesses are important to the economy. I have never said or implied that they are not. Everyone knows they are. It isn't really even a matter of debate.
My post was just a reference to a past debate with Chuck, and was not intended as a reflection on this particular plan for small businesses.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Given that small business owners are the only people in the country worth a damn, it is shocking that this action hasn't taken before.
I just hope that someday soon Congress will get around to passing a law which mandates people worship at the feet of small business owners at least 4 hours a day.

We donate lots of money and we vote, therefore...

I expect the law passed early in 2012 as an act of desperation by an Obama with a 10% approval rating.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We donate lots of money and we vote, therefore...

I expect the law passed early in 2012 as an act of desperation by an Obama with a 10% approval rating.

I'm hoping we wont need money pumped into the economy in 2012..

but seriously, why are the repub senators so against this? its using TARP money not another stimulus..