Will Ghostzapper..

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, Forestry does suck. I can't believe the hype that he got.

I'll grant you Fupeg has been a disappointment, but he's a lot more capable of getting the big horse. Haradasun made close to 2 mil in Australia/Europe for instance. Who are the biggest names for CZ? Gleam of Hope?

Dynaformer moves up mares.. Stormy Atlantic moves up mares. All the stallions that started low and go higher move up mares. Smart Strike moved a ton of mares to the friggin moon. I think he started at 20k..

Forestry = Discreet Cat

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by philcski

Forestry blows. He should stand for free with the amount of money he's burned up.

Fupeg? Seriously? City Zip has 6 stakes winners this year with 14 stakes wins, Fupeg has 4 with 5 wins. His one 2009 graded win was the Derby Mexicano (no joke.) City Zip is ahead of him in every category.

Ok, so, like I'm totally bored and said, what the hey, why not compare FuPeg to City Zip myself. Here's what I found in the first stallion list I looked at.

Fupeg ranks 6th on the General Sire list with a hair under 9 mil in earnings this year.

CZ is 40th with 4.5 mil.

# of crops: Fupeg 6, CZ 5

# of starters: FP 394, CZ 168. Gotta be a dual hemisphere thing.

# of winner: 136 to 98.

Repeat winners: 51 to 40

Stakes winner: 4 to 6

GSW: 1 each

I have no idea how accurate the southern hemisphere stats are. I am pretty sure though that they are not complete, as I found an Aussie graded winner to go with the Mexican one.

I'm not really sure how Fupeg has 9 mil in earnings with stats like these, but after looking over those stats, I'd still go with him at 15k over CZ, especially since you have a chance at hitting a home run with him.

I'm surprised nobody on here has mentioned that filly of his that won recently, She's Funomenal, at HP.

I have no illusions about that filly staying sound or good for a long time, but still, that was a pretty impressive debut.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Ok, so, like I'm totally bored and said, what the hey, why not compare FuPeg to City Zip myself. Here's what I found in the first stallion list I looked at.

Fupeg ranks 6th on the General Sire list with a hair under 9 mil in earnings this year.

CZ is 40th with 4.5 mil.

# of crops: Fupeg 6, CZ 5

# of starters: FP 394, CZ 168. Gotta be a dual hemisphere thing.

# of winner: 136 to 98.

Repeat winners: 51 to 40

Stakes winner: 4 to 6

GSW: 1 each

I have no idea how accurate the southern hemisphere stats are. I am pretty sure though that they are not complete, as I found an Aussie graded winner to go with the Mexican one.

I'm not really sure how Fupeg has 9 mil in earnings with stats like these, but after looking over those stats, I'd still go with him at 15k over CZ, especially since you have a chance at hitting a home run with him.

I'm surprised nobody on here has mentioned that filly of his that won recently, She's Funomenal, at HP.

I have no illusions about that filly staying sound or good for a long time, but still, that was a pretty impressive debut.

i dont think Mexican graded races are recognized

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Ok, so, like I'm totally bored and said, what the hey, why not compare FuPeg to City Zip myself. Here's what I found in the first stallion list I looked at.

Fupeg ranks 6th on the General Sire list with a hair under 9 mil in earnings this year.

CZ is 40th with 4.5 mil.

# of crops: Fupeg 6, CZ 5

# of starters: FP 394, CZ 168. Gotta be a dual hemisphere thing.

# of winner: 136 to 98.

Repeat winners: 51 to 40

Stakes winner: 4 to 6

GSW: 1 each

I have no idea how accurate the southern hemisphere stats are. I am pretty sure though that they are not complete, as I found an Aussie graded winner to go with the Mexican one.

I'm not really sure how Fupeg has 9 mil in earnings with stats like these, but after looking over those stats, I'd still go with him at 15k over CZ, especially since you have a chance at hitting a home run with him.

I'm surprised nobody on here has mentioned that filly of his that won recently, She's Funomenal, at HP.

I have no illusions about that filly staying sound or good for a long time, but still, that was a pretty impressive debut.

Not sure where you're getting the data, 2009 total earnings as per bloodhorse is $4,551,974 (CZ) versus $4,539,456 (Fupeg).
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-lists/general

On a cumulative basis (lifetime as a stallion): CZ has 344 foals, 256 starters, 196 winners, of which 184 were 2yo starters and 99 won as a 2yo;
FuPeg has 1086 foals, 560 starters, 323 winners, of which 311 were 2yo starters and 98 won as a 2yo.

In 2009: CZ has 171 runners, 100 winners, 41 repeat winners, 6 stakes winners of 14 stakes and 1 graded stake winner (Get Serious-G3 Red Bank.)
FuPeg has 308 runners, 118 winners, 54 repeat winners, 5 stakes winners of 8 stakes and 2 graded stakes winners... both not in the US/Canada/Europe (Vistoso-Mex G1 Derby Mexicano, Cats Whisker-Aus G2 Jayco Blazer S.)

I think it's undeniable that City Zip is just plain better than FuPeg and he stands for a third the price.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I think City Zip is the best deal at stud. (10k)

table didn't come out too good but he ranks very high in all categories in his group (>$7,500 and less than $20k.)
I like him a lot as well.

name	                fee	first year at stud	runners	winners	stakes winners	earnings	earnings per runner	earnings per runner/fee
Birdstone**		     $10,000	2005	65	27	4	$5,370,431	$82,622.02	8.26
Candy Ride (ARG)**		$12,500	2005	107	57	9	$4,097,699	$38,296.25	3.06
Even the Score**		$15,000	2005	81	45	3	$2,476,723	$30,576.83	2.04
Northern Afleet**		        $7,500	1999	241	147	9	$7,328,402	$30,408.31	4.05
Belong to Me**		        $10,000	1994	137	71	9	$3,976,165	$29,023.10	2.90
Pure Prize**		        $12,500	2003	127	72	9	$3,587,426	$28,247.45	2.26
Freud**		                $7,500	2002	121	62	8	$3,321,246	$27,448.31	3.66
City Zip**		                $12,500	2002	171	100	6	$4,551,974	$26,619.73	2.13
Petionville**		        $10,000	1997	167	94	5	$4,372,806	$26,184.47	2.62
Jump Start**	         	$10,000	2003	165	98	8	$4,251,979	$25,769.57	2.58
Mizzen Mast**		        $17,500	2003	152	84	9	$3,807,649	$25,050.32	1.43
Montbrook**        		$10,000	1995	144	79	7	$3,547,456	$24,635.11	2.46
E Dubai**		                $15,000	2003	150	90	7	$3,654,636	$24,364.24	1.62
Milwaukee Brew**		$7,500	2004	146	80	5	$3,527,335	$24,159.83	3.22
Toccet**		                $7,500	2005	104	64	5	$2,472,066	$23,769.87	3.17
War Chant**		        $15,000	2001	131	62	10	$3,062,604	$23,378.66	1.56
Quiet American**		        $15,000	1992	135	61	5	$3,100,812	$22,968.98	1.53
Include**		                $17,500	2003	141	80	3	$3,181,565	$22,564.29	1.29
Mutakddim**		        $12,500	1997	222	138	12	$4,839,564	$21,799.84	1.74
Repent**		                $7,500	2004	142	67	4	$3,061,535	$21,560.11	2.87
Orientate**		        $12,500	2003	187	105	5	$3,998,002	$21,379.69	1.71
Valid Expectations**		$10,000	1998	115	78	7	$2,444,183	$21,253.77	2.13
Stephen Got Even**		$7,500	2001	197	105	6	$4,131,883	$20,974.03	2.80
Congaree**		        $10,000	2005	96	43	3	$2,006,277	$20,898.72	2.09
Touch Gold**		        $15,000	1999	203	107	5	$4,158,729	$20,486.35	1.37
Aptitude**		                $10,000	2002	138	68	3	$2,756,551	$19,975.01	2.00
Put It Back**       		$8,500	2002	142	79	9	$2,782,127	$19,592.44	2.30
Peace Rules**	        	$7,500	2005	118	73	2	$2,297,784	$19,472.75	2.60
Catienus**         		$10,000	2001	156	96	5	$3,027,194	$19,405.09	1.94
Smoke Glacken**	        	$17,500	1998	187	103	5	$3,584,908	$19,170.63	1.10
Chapel Royal**		        $10,000	2005	149	72	3	$2,773,050	$18,611.07	1.86
Point Given**	         	$15,000	2002	114	54	3	$1,996,953	$17,517.13	1.17
Salt Lake**	                 	$7,500	1993	133	84	3	$2,299,900	$17,292.48	2.31
Officer**	                	$17,500	2003	157	79	2	$2,705,462	$17,232.24	0.98
Van Nistelrooy**	         	$15,000	2003	151	67	5	$2,561,874	$16,966.05	1.13
Doneraile Court**   		$7,500	2000	158	82	4	$2,597,929	$16,442.59	2.19
Alphabet Soup**	        	$7,500	1998	183	91	2	$2,862,986	$15,644.73	2.09
Thunder Gulch**		        $15,000	1996	183	73	10	$2,850,852	$15,578.43	1.04
Bertrando**        		$10,000	1994	132	57	3	$2,053,778	$15,558.92	1.56
Golden Missile**	        	$7,500	2001	170	87	3	$2,639,354	$15,525.61	2.07
Stormin Fever**    		$7,500	2000	157	69	4	$2,435,563	$15,513.14	2.07
Holy Bull**           		$10,000	1995	180	79	5	$2,770,211	$15,390.06	1.54