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11-23-2009, 10:30 PM
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11-24-2009, 12:08 AM
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Could be he had badly heavey horses (it's bad in KY in the fall, even for animals) The withdrawal for clenbuterol in KY is 3 days. Ipatropium is so short-acting (effective 15-20 min, lasts 4-6 hours) I wonder if they just gave it raceday morning as they had to take the clenbuteral away from the horses w/COPD. Interestingly, I couldn't find a withdrawal time for this drug in KY regs. May be there, I couldn't find it.
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11-24-2009, 07:28 AM
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Hmmm... No spewing or vitriol about McLaughlin based on this? Stunning. Only seems to confirm that there is a demarcation of sorts about who is villainous in the taking of edges...
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11-24-2009, 07:39 AM
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vitriol? demarcation? It doesnt surprise me though.. I really dont trust any trainer, especially a "top" trainer. They all cheat... its the nature of the game and I guess it always was. the mad genious told me and some other RTIP students, "the top ten trainers have the top ten chemists" eventhough he was basically just stating the obvious. If you want to make money in this game, you have to find an edge. Its pretty sick and its a main reason horse racing will continue to decline like it has been.
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11-24-2009, 08:52 AM
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Imagine if you are a 100m sprinter and you had all the god given talent in the world and then you look over to the next lane and you know the guy shouldn't beat you but does, it would be very tempting not to think about leveling the playing field then.
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11-24-2009, 09:47 AM
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I agree with 95% of this post. It's a fine line between making them feel good and making them not feel. That line is blurred and it depends on your personal definition of cheating, or the current guidelines in the state your horse runs in. One trainers idea of cheating is another trainers idea of quality horsemanship. I suggest most trainers think they are 100% legit. Mostly because they arent doing anything currently which specifically violates the state guidelines were they are racing. Med's at the "Mountain" are completely different then meds at Belmont. So is the trainer at the 'mountain" a cheater? In NY yes in WV most likely not.. it's a mess leave it at that. As gamblers we recognize the juice horses immediately we see them on the way up and we see them on the way down.
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11-24-2009, 08:08 AM
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You'd have to figure that K-Mac's "good guy" image is what keeps him from any negative remarks here or anywhere else. I am no vet but from a minimal amount of research and based on the remarks made here by Riot and the Doc it would seem that the medication in question is somewhat innocuous and its effect marginal. I hope, as a McLaughlin fan, that it is something minor or that the split-sample will exonerate him. If not, then he simply got caught. After the fact though, it makes me feel a bit more satisfied that Bluegrass Princess and Eye of Taurus won, if indeed it was that day that they were treated with this alleged medication. I thought both looked impossible. NT
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11-24-2009, 09:10 AM
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11-24-2009, 09:35 AM
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The only thing that surprised me was it took them so long.
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11-24-2009, 09:50 AM
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11-24-2009, 02:53 PM
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 now he will get some new owners...
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11-24-2009, 05:12 PM
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11-24-2009, 11:01 AM
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Exactly the same thing in baseball. At some point you have to wonder as a professional baseball player, do I stay clean and get penalized for it and lose out on millions of dollars from big performance induced contracts? Or do I do everything I can to "keep up"?
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11-24-2009, 11:23 AM
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Being able to navigate the drug portion of handicapping has been become a skill itself.
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11-24-2009, 12:06 PM
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Big difference between Pletcher's "whiff" mepivicaine positive and the high levels of multiple Assmussen offenses. They are not the same. They both do not deserve the same spewing and vitriol. That's where the difference lays for me. Not in the name or previous rep as you assume.
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11-24-2009, 12:19 PM
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I agree with your point, absolutely. However, I don't think it can be a shield and sword position. Eric
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11-24-2009, 01:34 PM
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 ......maybe a softer forum crowd, with thanksgiving just around the corner.
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