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Old 11-10-2009, 04:17 PM
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A racing award that is voted upon, instead of presented to the winner of the year end championship race, is silly. And only lends itself to being a political issue.
What's the year-end championship race?

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Old 11-10-2009, 04:20 PM
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A racing award that is voted upon, instead of presented to the winner of the year end championship race, is silly. And only lends itself to being a political issue.

so a horse like Secretariat.. races and wins all year.. gets hurt or skips the BC & Volponi wins the BC Classic.

Yes, Volponi should be the HOY.. anyone voting for Secretariat would just be, silly.
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Old 11-10-2009, 04:21 PM
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That was a hypothetical...

but I believe this was the initial idea of why the BC was born. Where it has gone since... well.. yea.
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Old 11-10-2009, 04:25 PM
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so a horse like Secretariat.. races and wins all year.. gets hurt or skips the BC & Volponi wins the BC Classic.

Yes, Volponi should be the HOY.. anyone voting for Secretariat would just be, silly.
I knew someone would run with a horse injury analogy..


How about an analogy of my own? What if Michael Phelps wins every meet he enters for 3.5 years but then cannot enter the Olympics due to injury, should he be given the Gold medal(s)..? He is clearly the best...

There are winners and losers in every aspect, but in the least knowing as a trainer/owner/jockey that you must WIN this race at the end of the year to earn the award is black and white. Not gray all over like it is currently...
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Old 11-10-2009, 04:30 PM
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Is there a swimmer of the year award given annually? I think swimming might be the only sport ESPN might pre-empt for horse racing.
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Old 11-10-2009, 04:31 PM
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I knew someone would run with a horse injury analogy..


How about an analogy of my own? What if Michael Phelps wins every meet he enters for 3.5 years but then cannot enter the Olympics due to injury, should he be given the Gold medal(s)..? He is clearly the best...

There are winners and losers in every aspect, but in the least knowing as a trainer/owner/jockey that you must WIN this race at the end of the year to earn the award is black and white. Not gray all over like it is currently...

The Phelps thing is apples and oranges. More like apples and pillows, cause oranges are at least still a fruit.

You have to compete in the Olympics to win a medal (obviously)

YEAR end awards in Horse Racing represent a body of work for a YEAR.. its not Breeders Cup Champion of the Year... its the Horse of the Year.

Also, would they have had Olympic swimming being competed on pavement?
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I'm fascinated with the obsession over award shows and the heated debates that ensue between people who have absolutely no direct involvement with the nominees.

Why do you people care so much? I pretty much know why...I just want to read your reasoning.
I don't give a sh.it at all, to be honest. It's a popularity contest. All I know is I got to see the two best fillies/mares I've ever seen in my life three times this season live in person at the Oaks, Preakness, and Classic and see fans go bananas for them in a sport that needs something like this. That's what matters to me.
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Old 11-10-2009, 04:37 PM
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I don't give a sh.it at all, to be honest. It's a popularity contest. All I know is I got to see the two best fillies/mares I've ever seen in my life three times this season live in person at the Oaks, Preakness, and Classic and see fans go bananas for them in a sport that needs something like this. That's what matters to me.
I was at all of those events but ran away when you waved at me.
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I was at all of those events but ran away when you waved at me.
Hahaha, I call BS, I don't think you really exist!
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Old 11-10-2009, 05:00 PM
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Uh no. The BCS is actually closer in comparison to the Breeders Cup. The Eclipse Awards = The Tony Awards.
Nah, the Tony Awards get to air on network television.
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The Phelps thing is apples and oranges. More like apples and pillows, cause oranges are at least still a fruit.

You have to compete in the Olympics to win a medal (obviously)

YEAR end awards in Horse Racing represent a body of work for a YEAR.. its not Breeders Cup Champion of the Year... its the Horse of the Year.

Also, would they have had Olympic swimming being competed on pavement?
I understand your points... what I am saying is, its obvious the BC purses aren't attractive enough to bring out ALL the talent. Excuses are made for shipping, racing surfaces, weather, footing, etc..

So maybe a slight change to how the awards are given away is in order...?
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Old 11-10-2009, 05:07 PM
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Is there a swimmer of the year award given annually? I think swimming might be the only sport ESPN might pre-empt for horse racing.
I'm sure they do, everything has a year end award for some reason or another...
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Old 11-10-2009, 05:12 PM
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I understand your points... what I am saying is, its obvious the BC purses aren't attractive enough to bring out ALL the talent. Excuses are made for shipping, racing surfaces, weather, footing, etc..

So maybe a slight change to how the awards are given away is in order...?

# of Grade 1 stakes won.. times the amount of total purse money won. divided by 16

or some equation may do
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Old 11-10-2009, 05:14 PM
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Golden Goggles. It's gayer than the Eclipse Awards.

If I had to rank the level of gay for awards shows going from gayest to gay...

Golden Goggles > Eclipse Awards > Daytime Emmy's
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Old 11-10-2009, 07:01 PM
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# of Grade 1 stakes won.. times the amount of total purse money won. divided by 16

or some equation may do
And then an end game of this...


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Old 11-10-2009, 07:05 PM
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Old 11-10-2009, 09:08 PM
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I think a big part of the reason people care about end of the year awards is that they want to see history written the way they saw it happen. Twenty years from now they want to be able to say, "I saw Rachel Alexandra, the greatest filly of all-time! In '09 she won the Preakness, the Haskell, the Woodward, and f'in' everything!" and not have some snot-nosed punk pull out the racing almanac and say, "Yeah, but Zenyatta was HOY..."
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Old 11-10-2009, 09:12 PM
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And vice versa for Zenyatta fans.

I'm not taking sides on this one, but I think when the dust clears and the excitement over The Classic wanes, objective people will say Rachel Alexandra's campaign was more impressive, more stylish, and more attention-getting than Zenyatta's.

Some great players never got a ring because they happened to play in the time of the Jordan-era Bulls. Tough break.
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