Summer Bird could be HOY

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by CrossfireHurricane

I know Rachel beat him at her ideal distance with a weight break, but he just trounced a horse she barely beat.

If Summer Bird wins the Classic he will have won 4 of the 6 biggest races in America and he will have won om dirt and synthetic and he will have put in a full year.

It will be hard to win the Classic with the Europeans in there but I think the voters will give him HOY if he wins.

No he was born in the same year Rachel was Hence he gets 3 year old colt PERIOD.. I will say it is very hard to imagine a colt winning the Belmont, Travers, JCGC, and BC Classic and still not even considered for HOY.. Who cares about HOY anyway he is a darn nice colt.

[CSC]

[quote=freddymo]Belmont, Travers, JCGC, and BC Classic and still not even considered for HOY..QUOTE]

No consideration? Let's not get carried away people, I know Rachel Alexandra is almost afforded god like status on this forum, but to say a horse that wins The Belmont, Travers, JCGC, and BC Classic especially when that horse didn't make his first career start until Mar 1 of this year shouldn't even be given consideration is really getting to the beyond the ridiculous point of discussion.

[freddymo]

[quote=CSC]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Belmont, Travers, JCGC, and BC Classic and still not even considered for HOY..QUOTE]

No consideration? Let's not get carried away people, I know Rachel Alexandra is almost afforded god like status on this forum, but to say a horse that wins The Belmont, Travers, JCGC, and BC Classic all in one year from a horse that didn't make his first career start until Mar 1 of this year shouldn't even be given consideration is really getting to the beyond ridiculous point of forum discussion.

He got trounced and would be trounced again. Even Ice knows his colt is currently ZERO match for her. THIS TAKES NOTHING AWAY FROM THE COLT!

[CSC]

[quote=freddymo]

Originally Posted by CSC

He got trounced and would be trounced again. Even Ice knows his colt is currently ZERO match for her. THIS TAKES NOTHING AWAY FROM THE COLT!

LOL, yep let me guess based on that one race, the Haskell. Gotcha..

[freddymo]

Rachel factures races..I love Summer Bird bet the crap out of him in the Belmont and loved him in the Travers. he can never beat Rachel because he can't move with her or out finish her. Even if they throw a rabbit in a race she will just sit off the rabbit and then sprint away from him. Rachel is just faster doesn't mean he isn't a wonderful colt. Maybe next year although I would figure his days of racing are numbered....maybe 1 race left on his dance card

[CSC]

It's not impossible to beat her if the race dynamics are similiar to the Preakness and or the Woodward. The Summer Bird we have seen the last 2 races would have given her alot of trouble, I find your reasoning confusing you like SB, you bet the crap out of him but you cannot entertain he can beat her, I know he would be more than a handful for her to handle given the right scenario. I give her credit for beating the likes of Macho Again and Mine That Bird in those 2 races but they are nowhere the horse that Summer Bird is, we can only hope these 2 will meet somewhere down the line, otherwise she can dine off of that Haskell win the rest of her career over SB until Jackson and Assmussen come to a consensus to try SB again.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by CSC

It's not impossible to beat her if the race dynamics are similiar to the Preakness and or the Woodward. The Summer Bird we have seen the last 2 races would have given her alot of trouble, I find your reasoning confusing you like SB, you bet the crap out of him but you cannot entertain he can beat her, I know he would be more than a handful for her to handle given the right scenario. I give her credit for beating the likes of Macho Again and Mine That Bird in those 2 races but they are nowhere the horse that Summer Bird is, we can only hope these 2 will meet somewhere down the line, otherwise she can dine off of that Haskell win the rest of her career over SB until Jackson and Assmussen come to a consensus to try SB again.

What do you think the chances are that Summer bird comes back at 4 1 in 8?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by CSC

It's not impossible to beat her if the race dynamics are similiar to the Preakness and or the Woodward. The Summer Bird we have seen the last 2 races would have given her alot of trouble, I find your reasoning confusing you like SB, you bet the crap out of him but you cannot entertain he can beat her, I know he would be more than a handful for her to handle given the right scenario. I give her credit for beating the likes of Macho Again and Mine That Bird in those 2 races but they are nowhere the horse that Summer Bird is, we can only hope these 2 will meet somewhere down the line, otherwise she can dine off of that Haskell win the rest of her career over SB until Jackson and Assmussen come to a consensus to try SB again.

i dont get how you give Rachel no credit for kicking the crap outta summer bird, and then say his last two races are this and that when she kicked the crap out of him the race before his last two races! Its like you feel he got SOOO much better between the Haskel and Travers when he is the same horse!

It makes no sense. She ran over the SAME horse who won the Travers and JCGC. SB is a real nice colt, but damn, the performance on the race track just doesnt cut it for ya does it?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Rachel factures races..I love Summer Bird bet the crap out of him in the Belmont and loved him in the Travers. he can never beat Rachel because he can't move with her or out finish her. Even if they throw a rabbit in a race she will just sit off the rabbit and then sprint away from him. Rachel is just faster doesn't mean he isn't a wonderful colt. Maybe next year although I would figure his days of racing are numbered....maybe 1 race left on his dance card

I doubt anyone will put up enough to get him to retire. But them again someone thought Pioneer of the Nile was worth $20k a pop so who knows?