10/3 (PHA): Fitz Dixon Cotillion S. (G2)

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I know that PPs aren't out but its going to be a good day from a fan/gambler's perspective. I'll be betting against your favorite horse Dynaforce on a dry course, will look to beat Gio Ponti going 12 furlongs and will certainly find other clever horses along the way that probably run 2nd when I bet them to win.

NT

I have posted and tryed to beat gio ponti everytime he raced this year, and I will def. try again. If its firm I will try to beat Dynaforce, but I doubt it will be firm, weather looks shaky, MAYBE THOUGH. I get what your saying about clever, but realisticly is there going to be anything in the Beldame, Vosburgh or JCGC?

[Gander]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I have posted and tryed to beat gio ponti everytime he raced this year, and I will def. try again. If its firm I will try to beat Dynaforce, but I doubt it will be firm, weather looks shaky, MAYBE THOUGH. I get what your saying about clever, but realisticly is there going to be anything in the Beldame, Vosburgh or JCGC?

Why cant any of the older horses knock off Summer Bird and Quality Road in the Jockey Club? Summer Bird will be very tough and is very proven but what basis are you making Quality Road such an imposing horse to beat? He still has a lot to prove at this unknown distance and track. I'll gladly bet against both of the 3 year olds.

I'm with you on Gio Ponti. Every time he runs I try to beat him and usually its with a ridiculous horse like Wesley. I'll try again on Saturday to beat him. He has to lose one of these times, right? And hes never run this distance before, maybe that (the added ground) will be what flattens out his late kick!

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Gander

Why cant any of the older horses knock off Summer Bird and Quality Road in the Jockey Club? Summer Bird will be very tough and is very proven but what basis are you making Quality Road such an imposing horse to beat? He still has a lot to prove at this unknown distance and track. I'll gladly bet against both of the 3 year olds.

I'm with you on Gio Ponti. Every time he runs I try to beat him and usually its with a ridiculous horse like Wesley. I'll try again on Saturday to beat him. He has to lose one of these times, right? And hes never run this distance before, maybe that (the added ground) will be what flattens out his late kick!

The older horses, ****ING SUCK. Who can knock off the big 2?

[Gander]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

The older horses, ****ING SUCK. Who can knock off the big 2?

LOL, now Quality Road is being called one of "the Big 2"? On what basis? He beat one horse in the FL Derby. His greatest accomplishment to date was a win in the Amstredam against a nice Candyman.

A nice horse? Sure. But hardly the kind you should be afraid to bet against.

Whats so wrong with Dry Martini?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Gander

LOL, now Quality Road is being called one of "the Big 2"? On what basis? He beat one horse in the FL Derby. His greatest accomplishment to date was a win in the Amstredam against a nice Candyman.

A nice horse? Sure. But hardly the kind you should be afraid to bet against.

Whats so wrong with Dry Martini?

I mean in this race, not like a big 2 in racing....

[Antitrust32]

Macho Again will be winning the JCGC.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Macho Again will be winning the JCGC.

hahaha... He is the definition of a PLODDER.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Gander

LOL, now Quality Road is being called one of "the Big 2"? On what basis? He beat one horse in the FL Derby. His greatest accomplishment to date was a win in the Amstredam against a nice Candyman.

A nice horse? Sure. But hardly the kind you should be afraid to bet against.

Whats so wrong with Dry Martini?

Besides everything? When you can look at a race and feel like Dry Martini has an actual shot, that tells you how weak the race is. This reminds me of all the people actually trying to make a case for Past the Point last time he ran.

Question. If Summer Bird or Quality Road wins this race or better yet, if they run 1-2 (either order), would that take some of the luster off of Rachel's win in the Woodward? So much was made of her beating older but if other 3yos can also beat older, I'd have to think that would take a little bit of the shine off her win. Not a lot but some.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Besides everything? When you can look at a race and feel like Dry Martini has an actual shot, that tells you how weak the race is. This reminds me of all the people actually trying to make a case for Past the Point last time he ran.

Question. If Summer Bird or Quality Road wins this race or better yet, if they run 1-2 (either order), would that take some of the luster off of Rachel's win in the Woodward? So much was made of her beating older but if other 3yos can also beat older, I'd have to think that would take a little bit of the shine off her win. Not a lot but some.

She beat both the 3 year olds and older so....whichever group is better doesn't matter.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

She beat both the 3 year olds and older so....whichever group is better doesn't matter.

Well said.

And to your point King, Rachel's win in the Woodward was great not because she defeated Macho Again by a nose, but because of the way the race was run. It was pretty obvious their was some race riding from the other jockeys going on in the beginning of that race not to try and win the race but to make sure Rachel was fried and lost. The Woodward didnt appear to have a lot of speed types but it unfolded that way, much to the disadvantage of Rachel.

The Jockey Club looks like its shaping up to favor Quality Road's running style, that is if he can revert back to front running tactics. We'll see if the other jockeys want Quality Road to lose as much as they did rachel in the Woodward.