What is C BROWN UP TO?

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Takes Silver Timber from the best turf sprint trainer in the country for $20K. The same ST that just couldn't fire in the lane all of last year. Under Brown, ST wipes out the field last out and, today, he duels with the chalk early and draws off in the stake.

Way to go, Chad.

A personal attack like this could cost you in the long run fatman, best if Steve took this crap off his web site. Let the detetion barns do their job buddy.

[the_fat_man]

It's just my observation. Why would C Brown or anyone else care what I have to say?

In the meantime, fire up some replays of Silver Timber's races last (and early this) year and check him out in the lane for yourself. You might be the one needing to retract his statement after that. You never know.

[Gander]

That was an awful field today. Just dreadful that that went down as a Graded stakes. The quality was nothing better than a 75K optional claimer. Capuano never wins in NY. Somebody had to win, why not the 2nd choice? Just an utter mess of the Jaipur.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

It's just my observation. Why would C Brown or anyone else care what I have to say?

In the meantime, fire up some replays of Silver Timber's races last (and early this) year and check him out in the lane for yourself. You might be the one needing to retract his statement after that. You never know.

i don't think chad brown worries about what you have to say

he improved the horse , happens evey day across tracks across america

steve- am i to believe that chad is beating the detention barns in ny is that what you are implying here?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i don't think chad brown worries about what you have to say

he improved the horse , happens evey day across tracks across america

steve- am i to believe that chad is beating the detention barns in ny is that what you are implying here?

The set of all the possible known and unknown drugs that could enhance the performance of a tbred is larger than the set that NYRA (or any other racing board) tests for. And, this doesn't apply to just horse racing but cycling, track and field, etc.

Assuming that Brown is cheating with this horse (and probably others) thus makes more sense than assuming that he's not cheating because he passed the detention barn. And this would be BEFORE the evident HUGE STEPUP in performance under Brown.

But, who cares? I've been in this game long enough to have a good idea as to who is juicing and who isn't by the way their horses perform. Brown's supporters can stand on their head, for all I care, but it won't make a difference. I formulate my own opinions.

Back in the '70's Pancho Martin was consistently leading trainer in NYC. No one questioned that Pancho was a very good trainer. It's interesting that Pancho would take all these OLD, seemingly broken down horses, that had back class, and get them, at age 5,6,7. etc., to run back to their best previous races -- from years prior. And, once they got 'in form' they'd stay in form. Get my drift?

The ironic thing is that I bet this horse and his other recent wipe-out special, Why West. She didn't run a HUGE race the other day, did she?

[SniperSB23]

I know there is a BC Turf Sprint now but has that somehow widened the gulf between stakes level turf sprinters and $25k claimers?

[turf fan]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

The set of all the possible known and unknown drugs that could enhance the performance of a tbred is larger than the set that NYRA (or any other racing board) tests for. And, this doesn't apply to just horse racing but cycling, track and field, etc.

Assuming that Brown is cheating with this horse (and probably others) thus makes more sense than assuming that he's not cheating because he passed the detention barn. And this would be BEFORE the evident HUGE STEPUP in performance under Brown.

But, who cares? I've been in this game long enough to have a good idea as to who is juicing and who isn't by the way their horses perform. Brown's supporters can stand on their head, for all I care, but it won't make a difference. I formulate my own opinions.

Back in the '70's Pancho Martin was consistently leading trainer in NYC. No one questioned that Pancho was a very good trainer. It's interesting that Pancho would take all these OLD, seemingly broken down horses, that had back class, and get them, at age 5,6,7. etc., to run back to their best previous races -- from years prior. And, once they got 'in form' they'd stay in form. Get my drift?

The ironic thing is that I bet this horse and his other recent wipe-out special, Why West. She didn't run a HUGE race the other day, did she?

Be careful! Cheating is a strong word when you are assuming. Remember
you were wrong about Maram's location last year. Your inaccuracies should be kept to yourself!

[gales0678]

[QUOTE=the_fat_man]The set of all the possible known and unknown drugs that could enhance the performance of a tbred is larger than the set that NYRA (or any other racing board) tests for. And, this doesn't apply to just horse racing but cycling, track and field, etc.

Assuming that Brown is cheating with this horse (and probably others) thus makes more sense than assuming that he's not cheating because he passed the detention barn. And this would be BEFORE the evident HUGE STEPUP in performance under Brown.

But, who cares? I've been in this game long enough to have a good idea as to who is juicing and who isn't by the way their horses perform. Brown's supporters can stand on their head, for all I care, but it won't make a difference. I formulate my own opinions.

Back in the '70's Pancho Martin was consistently leading trainer in NYC. No one questioned that Pancho was a very good trainer. It's interesting that Pancho would take all these OLD, seemingly broken down horses, that had back class, and get them, at age 5,6,7. etc., to run back to their best previous races -- from years prior. And, once they got 'in form' they'd stay in form. Get my drift?

The ironic thing is that I bet this horse and his other recent wipe-out special, Why West. She didn't run a HUGE race the other day, did she?[/quote]


then why have the detention barn at all , isn't it's primary reason in NY to stop cheating....are you telling us that it's ineffective and has holes in it that can be expolited?, if that's the case why have it at all , just for a public show?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by gales0678

[QUOTE=the_fat_man]The set of all the possible known and unknown drugs that could enhance the performance of a tbred is larger than the set that NYRA (or any other racing board) tests for. And, this doesn't apply to just horse racing but cycling, track and field, etc.

Assuming that Brown is cheating with this horse (and probably others) thus makes more sense than assuming that he's not cheating because he passed the detention barn. And this would be BEFORE the evident HUGE STEPUP in performance under Brown.

But, who cares? I've been in this game long enough to have a good idea as to who is juicing and who isn't by the way their horses perform. Brown's supporters can stand on their head, for all I care, but it won't make a difference. I formulate my own opinions.

Back in the '70's Pancho Martin was consistently leading trainer in NYC. No one questioned that Pancho was a very good trainer. It's interesting that Pancho would take all these OLD, seemingly broken down horses, that had back class, and get them, at age 5,6,7. etc., to run back to their best previous races -- from years prior. And, once they got 'in form' they'd stay in form. Get my drift?

The ironic thing is that I bet this horse and his other recent wipe-out special, Why West. She didn't run a HUGE race the other day, did she?

then why have the detention barn at all , isn't it's primary reason in NY to stop cheating....are you telling us that it's ineffective and has holes in it that can be expolited?, if that's the case why have it at all , just for a public show?[/quote]


The D Barn helps and very little bit that helps is good

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by freddymo

then why have the detention barn at all , isn't it's primary reason in NY to stop cheating....are you telling us that it's ineffective and has holes in it that can be expolited?, if that's the case why have it at all , just for a public show?

The D Barn helps and very little bit that helps is good[/quote]


why not test randomly the 1st , 2nd and 3d places winners of certain races each day?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

then why have the detention barn at all , isn't it's primary reason in NY to stop cheating....are you telling us that it's ineffective and has holes in it that can be expolited?, if that's the case why have it at all , just for a public show?

I think the detention barn is more effective than ineffective.. at least it gave us I want revenge's trainer.

BUT... the drugs they can use to increase performance are always 1 step ahead of the drugs you can test for. If the drug testers figure out a way to test for a 3rd generation morphine then the chemists just develop a 4th generation that cant be tested for... and on and on.

This is just the plain and simple truth.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

BUT... the drugs they can use to increase performance are always 1 step ahead of the drugs you can test for. If the drug testers figure out a way to test for a 3rd generation morphine then the chemists just develop a 4th generation that cant be tested for... and on and on.

This is just the plain and simple truth.

I think you are absolutely giving these guys too much credit I talk to several other vets that work in various states, and everyone knows what the current hot fad drugs are these morons are trying.

These guys are not chemists, nor pharmacologists, nor magicians. They are no more sophisticated chemically than the average meth dealer. They are not smart. They are not "one step ahead" all the time.

Believe me, if they were that adept, they'd easily make big bucks doing it legally

They buy regular human drugs and other made up crap off the internet, or get stuff through other grey-market sources, and throw it on the wall (into the horse) and see what sticks. "Let's try Viagra to see if the cardiovascular side effects will make the horse run faster"

Geesh, the harness guys try stuff way before the TB guys do The TB industry knows what's coming it's way.

There are not hundreds of magical, undetectable moveup drugs that make the horse run faster and farther, without detectable side effects or obvious changes in the horses' physiology (pupil dilation, heart rate, respiratory rate, muscle activity, sweating, etc)

I'm not saying there are not guys that cheat, or that there is stuff being used that's currently undetectable - of course there is.

It's just not the magical mystery tour chemical free-for-all some think it is. C'mon guys, we have to base it in reality.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by MisterB

A personal attack like this could cost you in the long run fatman, best if Steve took this crap off his web site. Let the detetion barns do their job buddy.

Why is this a personal attack?
These questions are the biggest part of this sport.
I think its a very valid ?..

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Why is this a personal attack?
These questions are the biggest part of this sport.
I think its a very valid ?..

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