Bo Rail gets the boot on Mine that Bird

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by pointman

Can fault the Bird's connections, The Bird should have been given to Borel already. Lets face it, it is not like The Bird is such a great horse that they should be at his whim with a jockey of this quality and there are plenty of better horses who Borel will commit to. Good for Borel and company for this move.

FTFY

[jwkniska]

Per HRTV. Leparoux is now on Mine That Bird

[10 pnt move up]

definitely an upgrade

[chucklestheclown]

Thought it was Mike Smith?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

FTFY

Yeah, a horse that wins the Kentucky Derby and places in the Preakness and Belmont really can't by that good. Are you one of those that bets "Borail" on any horse he gets on?

[CSC]

Chantal Sutherland - Casey Lambert - Calvin Borel - Mike Smith...

Horse hasn't had much luck with riders...what an average group.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by CSC

Chantal Sutherland - Casey Lambert - Calvin Borel - Mike Smith...

Horse hasn't had much luck with riders...what an average group.

what an average horse

[CSC]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

what an average horse

This year? I think he's done more than to be considered an average horse. No one is in the league of Rachel Alexandra(my unbiased viewpoint) 'halo effect' or not.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by CSC

This year? I think he's done more than to be considered an average horse. No one is in the league of Rachel Alexandra(my unbiased viewpoint) 'halo effect' or not.

i don't know losing by a length and 1/2 when mike smith was blocked early. this horse is in everyones league and proved it by running in the money in all three races. i actually think he wins that race at 1 1/4 miles. the horses that are NOT in her league are the chumps they set her up against and she beats by 20! the three year old males are going to get bigger and better, some of the contenders have been racing for just a few months. shes out of her league with the fillies but i would not jump to any conclusions just yet, theres plenty of racing left this summer. curlin could not beat rags to riches in june, in october no one could touch him ! if MTB stays healthy along with Summer bird and some of the others this thing is far from being decided.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i don't know losing by a length and 1/2 when mike smith was blocked early. this horse is in everyones league and proved it by running in the money in all three races. i actually think he wins that race at 1 1/4 miles. the horses that are NOT in her league are the chumps they set her up against and she beats by 20! the three year old males are going to get bigger and better, some of the contenders have been racing for just a few months. shes out of her league with the fillies but i would not jump to any conclusions just yet, theres plenty of racing left this summer. curlin could not beat rags to riches in june, in october no one could touch him ! if MTB stays healthy along with Summer bird and some of the others this thing is far from being decided.

I'll say this much we may have not seen the best from Summer Bird, I actually thought he could have won by more if he were perfectly handled in the Belmont. In my opinion he will prove to be a better horse than Mine That Bird if he stays healthy.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

what an average horse

yes, average horses always finish in the money in all three triple crown events.. including winning the main one...

Not a "great" horse... but far above average!

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

yes, average horses always finish in the money in all three triple crown events.. including winning the main one...

Not a "great" horse... but far above average!

As horses who hit the board in all three triple crown races, a very nice achievement in itself, he is average. I dare you to name horses who have done that, that you would say are worse then he is...that makes him average relative to his paper record in my book.

I love it when people want to just read a post, they know the context it was used, but reply as if they dont. Its pretty obvious compared to the 5k claimer at River Downs he is exceptional, duh....but he is average historically compared to others with similar accomplishments. I would take it a step further and say he is average compared to the best horses in his generation, that would be horses like Zenyatta and Rachael Alexandra.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

As horses who hit the board in all three triple crown races, a very nice achievement in itself, he is average. I dare you to name horses who have done that, that you would say are worse then he is...that makes him average relative to his paper record in my book.

I love it when people want to just read a post, they know the context it was used, but reply as if they dont. Its pretty obvious compared to the 5k claimer at River Downs he is exceptional, duh....but he is average historically compared to others with similar accomplishments. I would take it a step further and say he is average compared to the best horses in his generation, that would be horses like Zenyatta and Rachael Alexandra.

fine.. he is an average Kentucky Derby winner ... and its half way through the 3yo season so he may turn out to be a top quality Kentucky Derby winner or just stay average.

While I think Rachel is a MUCH better racehorse... I'll wait til they run against each other a few more times to make up my mind.. there was only a length seperating them at the finish (though Rachel's trip was MUCH more taxing).

And while Zenyatta may be better than both.. I will not say that because she runs against chicken $hit every race and it cant be determined until she faces better competition.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

As horses who hit the board in all three triple crown races, a very nice achievement in itself, he is average. I dare you to name horses who have done that, that you would say are worse then he is...that makes him average relative to his paper record in my book.

I love it when people want to just read a post, they know the context it was used, but reply as if they dont. Its pretty obvious compared to the 5k claimer at River Downs he is exceptional, duh....but he is average historically compared to others with similar accomplishments. I would take it a step further and say he is average compared to the best horses in his generation, that would be horses like Zenyatta and Rachael Alexandra.

I would like to see what Rachel Alexandra will do the rest of the year before calling her the best of her generation. As I said I think she is under what I would call as the 'halo effect'. Horseracing is just crying out for a superstar and there is no doubt she is the one they are looking at her with starstruck eyes.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

As horses who hit the board in all three triple crown races, a very nice achievement in itself, he is average. I dare you to name horses who have done that, that you would say are worse then he is.

Off the top of my head, Mane Minister certainly fits the bill...there's one.

Here's the list I think the last 20 or so years....

Mine That Bird
Curlin
Afleet Alex
Smarty Jones
Funny Cide
Charismatic
Real Quiet
Victory Gallop
Silver Charm
Free House
Thunder Gulch
Go For Gin
Mane Minister
Sunday Silence
Easy Goer
Risen Star

Of those, I think Mane Minister is the only one you could for certain say is worse than MTB. Maybe Go For Gin?? But at this point through the Belmont, I don't think you can claim that one even. So your point is well taken...the last 21 years of those placing in all 3 TC races, I think you can find only 1 worse than MTB to this point.