Imus fired why not Letterman

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

So you think calling women nappy headed hoes and jiggaboos is on par with a joke about an 18 year old who did get knocked up, being knocked up?

absolutely not.

perhaps palin should have spent more time with her daughters and less time on her political career, then they wouldn't be fodder for jokes right now.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Danzig

absolutely not.

perhaps palin should have spent more time with her daughters and less time on her political career, then they wouldn't be fodder for jokes right now.

The thing is, even if Palin paid them no attention, why should there be jokes made about them at all? Is the media so outrageously obnoxious that now children are fair game too?

Letterman may have been referring to Palin's 18 YO daughter but he knew it was her 14 YO daughter that was with her because he had just joked about it. He shouldn't be fired but he should stay away from jokes that involve people's children. Isn't that reasonable?

NT

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The thing is, even if Palin paid them no attention, why should there be jokes made about them at all? Is the media so outrageously obnoxious that now children are fair game too?

Letterman may have been referring to Palin's 18 YO daughter but he knew it was her 14 YO daughter that was with her because he had just joked about it. He shouldn't be fired but he should stay away from jokes that involve people's children. Isn't that reasonable?

NT

He realizes this. He issued a detailed apology on his show. I think this should do it:

http://tv.yahoo.com/the-late-show-wi...palin__ER:1358

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The thing is, even if Palin paid them no attention, why should there be jokes made about them at all? Is the media so outrageously obnoxious that now children are fair game too?

Letterman may have been referring to Palin's 18 YO daughter but he knew it was her 14 YO daughter that was with her because he had just joked about it. He shouldn't be fired but he should stay away from jokes that involve people's children. Isn't that reasonable?

NT

i personally wouldn't go after her family...but it's a tricky situation. you have pols who put their kids out there to begin with, which i also wouldn't engage in. also, it's not as tho palin is the first to deal with her kids getting attention, unwanted or not. i don't think it's right, but it certainly is part and parcel with the job.
and he's not the first, or the only-like the article above said, these jokes have been around since she was first named mccains running mate-so why is she up in arms now? a ploy to get her attention perhaps?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i personally wouldn't go after her family...but it's a tricky situation. you have pols who put their kids out there to begin with, which i also wouldn't engage in. also, it's not as tho palin is the first to deal with her kids getting attention, unwanted or not. i don't think it's right, but it certainly is part and parcel with the job.
and he's not the first, or the only-like the article above said, these jokes have been around since she was first named mccains running mate-so why is she up in arms now? a ploy to get her attention perhaps?

Perhaps not.......the woman deals with a perceieved threat/slight.....just as Al
and Jesse or Frank deal with perception! It was something....but still much-ado

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Perhaps not.......the woman deals with a perceieved threat/slight.....just as Al
and Jesse or Frank deal with perception! It was something....but still much-ado

it was ridiculous and probably backfired, with letterman getting higher ratings because of it.
besides, didn't palin attend a rally where people started shouting threats of violence, and she just smirked? and now she takes a joke and tries to twist it for political points-she's the one linking this joke with the 14 year old, letterman meant it for the over 18 baby mama.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it was ridiculous and probably backfired, with letterman getting higher ratings because of it.
besides, didn't palin attend a rally where people started shouting threats of violence, and she just smirked? and now she takes a joke and tries to twist it for political points-she's the one linking this joke with the 14 year old, letterman meant it for the over 18 baby mama.

that is your opinion,apparently.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

that is your opinion,apparently.

what's my opinion? letterman is enjoying a ratings spike, he did intend the joke for the 18 year old, and palin did face accusations of ignoring racial threats at a speech/rally or whatever it was, didn't she? and i also think she chose NOW, when she's been pretty much a non story, to get offended at jokes that have been told at her childrens expense for a year, as a way to get some PR. i wonder how much of an increase she'll see in her legal expense donations...

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it was ridiculous and probably backfired, with letterman getting higher ratings because of it.
besides, didn't palin attend a rally where people started shouting threats of violence, and she just smirked? and now she takes a joke and tries to twist it for political points-she's the one linking this joke with the 14 year old, letterman meant it for the over 18 baby mama.

She's nothing if not an opportunist.

Can't wait for 2012.

[Rupert Pupkin]

I think this whole thing was much ado about nothing. I think Palin is happy to put the focus on Letterman and take the focus off what a lousy job she did of raising her daughter (the one who got pregnant at 17).

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think this whole thing was much ado about nothing. I think Palin is happy to put the focus on Letterman and take the focus off what a lousy job she did of raising her daughter (the one who got pregnant at 17).

I dont know... most high schoolers are having sex at 17. I was.. everyone I knew was... and it just got worse with kids younger than me as they got older. there is a big problem and MIDDLE school with kids having sex. Its not like all these parents did a lousy job raising their kids. Shoot, 17 year olds dont listen to there parents anyway!! You just have to hope they are making the right decisions and its important to talk about birth control cause no matter what you want to happen... sex is going to happen.

That could have been Palins problem... preaching abstinence is NEVER going to be the answer, cause kids could care less about that. Teaching safe sex and the dangers of unsafe sex is a MUCH better option...

But I have a hard time blaming Palin or calling her a bad parent because her 17 year old had sex. If that was the case there would be a very small amount of good parents out there.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know... most high schoolers are having sex at 17. I was.. everyone I knew was... and it just got worse with kids younger than me as they got older. there is a big problem and MIDDLE school with kids having sex. Its not like all these parents did a lousy job raising their kids. Shoot, 17 year olds dont listen to there parents anyway!! You just have to hope they are making the right decisions and its important to talk about birth control cause no matter what you want to happen... sex is going to happen.

That could have been Palins problem... preaching abstinence is NEVER going to be the answer, cause kids could care less about that. Teaching safe sex and the dangers of unsafe sex is a MUCH better option...

But I have a hard time blaming Palin or calling her a bad parent because her 17 year old had sex. If that was the case there would be a very small amount of good parents out there.

I agree with you but I have to hold Palin to a higher standard since she is preaching family values and running as a born-again Christian. I think if someone is a serious Christian, they have failed greatly as a parent if their 17 year old daughter gets pregnant.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know... most high schoolers are having sex at 17. I was.. everyone I knew was... and it just got worse with kids younger than me as they got older. there is a big problem and MIDDLE school with kids having sex. Its not like all these parents did a lousy job raising their kids. Shoot, 17 year olds dont listen to there parents anyway!! You just have to hope they are making the right decisions and its important to talk about birth control cause no matter what you want to happen... sex is going to happen.

That could have been Palins problem... preaching abstinence is NEVER going to be the answer, cause kids could care less about that. Teaching safe sex and the dangers of unsafe sex is a MUCH better option...

But I have a hard time blaming Palin or calling her a bad parent because her 17 year old had sex. If that was the case there would be a very small amount of good parents out there.

I should say that I partially agree with you. I agree with you that tons of 17 year old girls are having sex. But I disagree that we have to accept this as something that is inevitable that can't be prevented. I think that if you teach your kids about the dangers of sex from the time they are very young and you absolutely stress the importance of abstinence, I think it is quite realistic to expect your kids to stay abstinent (at least while they are living in your house). Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this is easy. I think this needs to be something that you constantly drum into your kids' heads from the time they are very young. If this is something that is important to you as a parent, then you need to make it a priority. It is something you would need to constantly talk to your kids about from the time they are very young.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know... most high schoolers are having sex at 17. I was.. everyone I knew was... and it just got worse with kids younger than me as they got older. there is a big problem and MIDDLE school with kids having sex. Its not like all these parents did a lousy job raising their kids. Shoot, 17 year olds dont listen to there parents anyway!! You just have to hope they are making the right decisions and its important to talk about birth control cause no matter what you want to happen... sex is going to happen.

That could have been Palins problem... preaching abstinence is NEVER going to be the answer, cause kids could care less about that. Teaching safe sex and the dangers of unsafe sex is a MUCH better option...
But I have a hard time blaming Palin or calling her a bad parent because her 17 year old had sex. If that was the case there would be a very small amount of good parents out there.

Yep and Yep

It doesn't help much that clothing manufacturers have basically unleashed sex on every female. What I would give for 17 year old girls to look the way they look now when I was 17

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Danzig

absolutely not.

perhaps palin should have spent more time with her daughters and less time on her political career, then they wouldn't be fodder for jokes right now.

how do you define more time? she was a governor of a state , in a dual income family , what did you want her to do stay home and bake chocolate chip cookies? didn't women of yesterday fight so that the Sarah palin's of the world and the Hillary Clintons of the world could someday live out their dreams and run for and get elected to some of the highest offices in the country?

look at how some of the kennedy's turned out , i assume Rose Kennedy ran her house and her kid's lives 24/7 ---- didn't some of them get into trouble over the years??? Spending more time doesn't always lead to less trouble . See Nancy Reagan too!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by gales0678

how do you define more time? she was a governor of a state , in a dual income family , what did you want her to do stay home and bake chocolate chip cookies? didn't women of yesterday fight so that the Sarah palin's of the world and the Hillary Clintons of the world could someday live out their dreams and run for and get elected to some of the highest offices in the country?

look at how some of the kennedy's turned out , i assume Rose Kennedy ran her house and her kid's lives 24/7 ---- didn't some of them get into trouble over the years??? Spending more time doesn't always lead to less trouble

i'm old fashioned in the sense that you if you choose to have a family, that family should come first. palin could run for gov, seek higher office, after her kids were older. i've worked since my kids were little, but they never spent time in day care or with a nanny-and i was home every night. the lack of parenting these days imo is the #1 reason for the huge spikes in teen pregnancy.
wonderful-she's running the state, who's running the house? and yes, sometimes kids still run into trouble regardless of a parents' best efforts-but having a mother on the run for months at a time while running for vp, and thrusting young kids into the limelight and dog eat dog world of politics can't possibly be in the best interests of those kids.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm old fashioned in the sense that you if you choose to have a family, that family should come first. palin could run for gov, seek higher office, after her kids were older. i've worked since my kids were little, but they never spent time in day care or with a nanny-and i was home every night. the lack of parenting these days imo is the #1 reason for the huge spikes in teen pregnancy.
wonderful-she's running the state, who's running the house? and yes, sometimes kids still run into trouble regardless of a parents' best efforts-but having a mother on the run for months at a time while running for vp, and thrusting young kids into the limelight and dog eat dog world of politics can't possibly be in the best interests of those kids.

looks like the young ms clinton turned out alright with mommy and daddy both burning the mid night oil - one for the state and the other for the law firm

[the_fat_man]

This is a perfect example of why most of the world thinks Americans are IDIOTS (among other things).

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm old fashioned in the sense that you if you choose to have a family, that family should come first. palin could run for gov, seek higher office, after her kids were older. i've worked since my kids were little, but they never spent time in day care or with a nanny-and i was home every night. the lack of parenting these days imo is the #1 reason for the huge spikes in teen pregnancy.
wonderful-she's running the state, who's running the house? and yes, sometimes kids still run into trouble regardless of a parents' best efforts-but having a mother on the run for months at a time while running for vp, and thrusting young kids into the limelight and dog eat dog world of politics can't possibly be in the best interests of those kids.

old fashion does not cut it anymore , i wish it did, but , more and more women are in the workplace - they are mothers and they are going to work 80+ hrs a week once they reach high levels in corporations and gov't - that's what it takes in these types of jobs to make it - total dedication to the job , there is no shortcut , no sunday's off , it's 24/7 - that's the way the world works today if you want a high level job at the corporate or gov't level ---there are no more 9 to 5's

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by gales0678

old fashion does not cut it anymore , i wish it did, but , more and more women are in the workplace - they are mothers and they are going to work 80+ hrs a week once they reach high levels in corporations and gov't - that's what it takes in these types of jobs to make it - total dedication to the job , there is no shortcut , no sunday's off , it's 24/7 - that's the way the world works today if you want a high level job at the corporate or gov't level ---there are no more 9 to 5's

and it's my contention that while women are 'having it all', their family-mostly the kids, are paying the price.