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Old 06-08-2009, 03:44 PM
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Reports indicating DUNKIRK has a fracture in the hind end suffered in the Belmont that will require surgery. Not being called career-ending...

That's too bad.. I doubt we see him on the track again.
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Old 06-08-2009, 03:58 PM
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Impossible...Unbridled's Song progeny are the picture of health, just like their daddy.

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Old 06-08-2009, 04:00 PM
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An Unbridled's Song, late start to his career, lightly raced, trained by Pletcher... a recipe for a short career. Atleast he went out fighting.
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Old 06-08-2009, 04:01 PM
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That's too bad, his effort was gutsy in defeat.
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Old 06-08-2009, 04:20 PM
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An Unbridled's Song, late start to his career, lightly raced, trained by Pletcher... a recipe for a short career. Atleast he went out fighting.
Exactly. I was afraid we'd be hearing this today, after that good effort. A shame. What a gorgeous horse, beautiful way of moving at speed.

That continues to prove to me there's more to soundness than conformation - physiology is inherited, too.
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Old 06-08-2009, 04:38 PM
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Exactly. I was afraid we'd be hearing this today, after that good effort. A shame. What a gorgeous horse, beautiful way of moving at speed.

That continues to prove to me there's more to soundness than conformation - physiology is inherited, too.
Nice redboard.
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Old 06-08-2009, 05:34 PM
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Nice redboard.
Just pointing out me, not CSC? Thanks.

Unfortunately, considering the source, it means nothing
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Just pointing out me, not CSC? Thanks.

Unfortunately, considering the source, it means nothing
He didn't come out and say he was afraid there would be an announcement of an injury TODAY


Durrrrrrrrrrr. Duh durrrrrrrrrrrr
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Old 06-09-2009, 06:50 AM
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He didn't come out and say he was afraid there would be an announcement of an injury TODAY


Durrrrrrrrrrr. Duh durrrrrrrrrrrr
Cant afford your medication this month?
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Old 06-08-2009, 05:19 PM
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First one out. The Test of Champions is also the Precursor to Retirements. One day, people will get it.

Oh wait, I already know the responses. It's purely coincidence and horses get injured everyday, even in the barns.
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Old 06-08-2009, 05:24 PM
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First one out. The Test of Champions is also the Precursor to Retirements. One day, people will get it.

Oh wait, I already know the responses. It's purely coincidence and horses get injured everyday, even in the barns.




They should have 2 good allowance or better 12 furlong races every month.
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Old 06-08-2009, 05:25 PM
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First one out. The Test of Champions is also the Precursor to Retirements. One day, people will get it.

Oh wait, I already know the responses. It's purely coincidence and horses get injured everyday, even in the barns.
Do not blame the TC---undertrained stall potatoes do not belong in the TC, so get that ...

A lovely animal overfaced in the TC or elswhere will be vulnerable ...
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Old 06-08-2009, 05:33 PM
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Do not blame the TC---undertrained stall potatoes do not belong in the TC, so get that ...

A lovely animal overfaced in the TC or elswhere will be vulnerable ...
I don't blame the TC at all. I agree with what you say here. The problem is that with the way they are trained and raced today, they will continue to be undertrained and asked to do more than they are ready to do. Not more than they are capable of doing but more than they are ready to do. There's a difference. My thing has never been that the TC is too hard or that it should be changed because it's too hard. My thing has been that if they are going to continue to change the way they breed, train, and race the horses, then the races have to be adapted to fit the horses. I'd love it if the horses were adapted to fit the races but that's not the way it goes anymore.
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Old 06-08-2009, 05:35 PM
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I don't blame the TC at all. I agree with what you say here. The problem is that with the way they are trained and raced today, they will continue to be undertrained and asked to do more than they are ready to do. Not more than they are capable of doing but more than they are ready to do. There's a difference. My thing has never been that the TC is too hard or that it should be changed because it's too hard. My thing has been that if they are going to continue to change the way they breed, train, and race the horses, then the races have to be adapted to fit the horses. I'd love it if the horses were adapted to fit the races but that's not the way it goes anymore.
That is the way I want it to go, and how many early retirements will influence this...

Lowering the bar, further lowers the product ...

Understand you viewpoint better now ...
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Old 06-08-2009, 05:37 PM
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Way to go out on a limb there, Darwin.
And you plan your breedings via .... ? There's an awful lot of horse breeders that don't seem to consider career soundness when planning matings.
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Old 06-08-2009, 06:12 PM
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The indisputable fact that between 100-200 mare owners plan their matings without regard to Unbridled Song's history of brittle offspring has nothing to do with pointing out that it should not surprise anyone that soundness in a sire has an impact on his offspring. I suspect that you could find this notion in a Genetics 101 textbook.
How dare I point that out! Glad you took it upon yourself to correct me with a rude insult, while reiterating the concept yourself (which is okay, right Darwin?
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Old 06-08-2009, 06:20 PM
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That track was rock hard and though it looked like it was harrowed, it was only open about 1.5 inches, according to someone who walked on it.
Others will come out of Saturday's card injured, but if they are less than stakes status we probably won't know about it.
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That track was rock hard and though it looked like it was harrowed, it was only open about 1.5 inches, according to someone who walked on it.
Others will come out of Saturday's card injured, but if they are less than stakes status we probably won't know about it.
Thank you for pointing this out . Belmont has a history of a surface that is too hard . Will they ever learn ?
The 4x5 Raise A Native is never a cross for soundness . That and the hard surface was a recipe for disaster . Hope the other runners on the card are ok .

Edit: Pedigreequery informs that his dam, millionairess Secret Status, has produced 5 foals that have started a total of 13 times . Including the unraced 2004 son of Storm Cat, Objectivity, that sold for $6.3 mil.

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