Andrew Bynum=No Championship

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The point being that you don't need a traditional point guard. Neither one of them, especially Harper (still my second favorite NBA player ever) was a point guard. Same as you don't need a true center in that offense either. They won titles with Luc Longley.

True but both had a ball controlling star (Jordan and Kobe) which plays out fine on the offensive end. The other end of the court is an issue though.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

True but both had a ball controlling star (Jordan and Kobe) which plays out fine on the offensive end. The other end of the court is an issue though.

It might be. The problem will be that the Lakers don't have a superior talent advantage over the Cavs. Deron Williams killed them. Brooks is killing them now. Chris Paul kills them. Guys like Williams and Paul kill everyone though. In today's game, with the rules the way they are about touching guys, every team in the league has problems with quick point guards. Even the teams WITH quick point guards. Paul can't guard Williams and vice versa. So I don't think that the Lakers would be that much better with a better defensive guard. It wouldn't hurt of course but I don't know how much it would help. I think that what will help them is that fact that LeBron is a ball controlling star for Cleveland and not their point guards. I think that if they use a lineup that has Bryant and Ariza in the backcourt, that's their best lineup. Ariza has the athletic ability and length to stay in front of their point guards. Brown, Fisher, and Farmer can't do anything with them.

[Antitrust32]

I'm really not sure why everyone assumes its going to be a Lakers/Cavs matchup.

The way Denver is playing I see them beating the Lakers.

I also think the Cavs playoff record is going to be 12-0 heading to the finals and whoever plays them will be LUCKY to win 2 games.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm really not sure why everyone assumes its going to be a Lakers/Cavs matchup.

The way Denver is playing I see them beating the Lakers.

I also think the Cavs playoff record is going to be 12-0 heading to the finals and whoever plays them will be LUCKY to win 2 games.

Denver's chances of beating the lakers are slim and none and slim already left for the beach.

Denver matches up horribly with the lakers.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Denver's chances of beating the lakers are slim and none and slim already left for the beach.

Denver matches up horribly with the lakers.

we will see, my beautiful friend, we will see..

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

we will see, my beautiful friend, we will see..

bet? I will give you 3-1

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

bet? I will give you 3-1

sure.. a beer... if the lakers win i'll buy you one if Denver wins you can buy me three

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Denver's chances of beating the lakers are slim and none and slim already left for the beach.

Denver matches up horribly with the lakers.

Explain that one to me. The Lakers have no one to matchup with Billups, the Nuggets are big with Anthony, K-Mart, and Nene in the frontcourt, and both their shooting guards are 6'6" so can matchup with Kobe. I'd think that Denver is one of the best matchups against LA. Do you have a reasoning for saying they match up horribly or did you just hear some sportscaster say that and are regurgitating it?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Explain that one to me. The Lakers have no one to matchup with Billups, the Nuggets are big with Anthony, K-Mart, and Nene in the frontcourt, and both their shooting guards are 6'6" so can matchup with Kobe. I'd think that Denver is one of the best matchups against LA. Do you have a reasoning for saying they match up horribly or did you just hear some sportscaster say that and are regurgitating it?

Youre right sniper...i just regurgitate this info i hear and i have no idea of what im typing.

The bolded quote is about the funniest on the thread.

THE LAKERS HAVE BEATEN THEM 10 STRAIGHT TIMES. Yes, Denver matches up really well with them.

Now, if you want me to educate you on WHY they have beaten them ten straight I will be happy to do that. or if you would like to WAGER on the series, we can do that as well.

let me know my good friend.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Youre right sniper...i just regurgitate this info i hear and i have no idea of what im typing.

The bolded quote is about the funniest on the thread.

THE LAKERS HAVE BEATEN THEM 10 STRAIGHT TIMES. Yes, Denver matches up really well with them.

Now, if you want me to educate you on WHY they have beaten them ten straight I will be happy to do that. or if you would like to WAGER on the series, we can do that as well.

let me know my good friend.

First off they haven't beaten them 10 straight times. And even if they have won 10 of the last 11 how does that have any relevance when most of those were with Allen Iverson instead of Chauncey Billups which was a completely different team. There have been three games since Billups came and the home team has won all three and one of the Lakers wins came when K-Mart was out.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

It might be. The problem will be that the Lakers don't have a superior talent advantage over the Cavs. Deron Williams killed them. Brooks is killing them now. Chris Paul kills them. Guys like Williams and Paul kill everyone though. In today's game, with the rules the way they are about touching guys, every team in the league has problems with quick point guards. Even the teams WITH quick point guards. Paul can't guard Williams and vice versa. So I don't think that the Lakers would be that much better with a better defensive guard. It wouldn't hurt of course but I don't know how much it would help. I think that what will help them is that fact that LeBron is a ball controlling star for Cleveland and not their point guards. I think that if they use a lineup that has Bryant and Ariza in the backcourt, that's their best lineup. Ariza has the athletic ability and length to stay in front of their point guards. Brown, Fisher, and Farmer can't do anything with them.

That lineup is too big and gives them no spot up shooters. Ariza in the lineup with Bryant is fine but you need fisher, Sasha or Farmar prepared to shoot or else defenses can cheat over on kobe or in the paint with the floor so unbalanced.

lakers front line creates huge mismatches against Cleveland. Cleveland's best interior defender is Verejao and he is too small to guard Gasol or Bynum. Illguaskus is too slow.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

That lineup is too big and gives them no spot up shooters. Ariza in the lineup with Bryant is fine but you need fisher, Sasha or Farmar prepared to shoot or else defenses can cheat over on kobe or in the paint with the floor so unbalanced.

lakers front line creates huge mismatches against Cleveland. Cleveland's best interior defender is Verejao and he is too small to guard Gasol or Bynum. Illguaskus is too slow.

Verejao is too small to guard Gasol or Byum? Is Ben Wallace too small too?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Verejao is too small to guard Gasol or Byum? Is Ben Wallace too small too?

Ben Wallace is about 9X as strong as mop head.
Verejao is much more of a pest on D. He has mobility
and size, physical strength in the low post is not his
game.

Anyway,
Cleveland helps out so well its going to take a really
good offensive effort to beat them. imo Cleveland
has really faced some rotten teams. Atlanta was
playing without a number of good players here and there.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Verejao is too small to guard Gasol or Byum? Is Ben Wallace too small too?

Ben Wallace is just too old. Surely you are not trying to throw the name "ben wallace" out there like it still means something are you? He is a body at this point...an extra 6 fouls that can give minutes and maybe snag some boards. His days of being mentioned as a top interior defender are well behind him.

Regardless of how "soft" he is or whatever knocks people want to throw at him, make no mistake that Pau Gasol is one of the top five post players in the game and in his prime and there isnt a player on Cleveland that can guard him one on one. You can't double him and kobe.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Ben Wallace is just too old. Surely you are not trying to throw the name "ben wallace" out there like it still means something are you? He is a body at this point...an extra 6 fouls that can give minutes and maybe snag some boards. His days of being mentioned as a top interior defender are well behind him.

Regardless of how "soft" he is or whatever knocks people want to throw at him, make no mistake that Pau Gasol is one of the top five post players in the game and in his prime and there isnt a player on Cleveland that can guard him one on one. You can't double him and kobe.

Pau gasol is a good player but hardly needs to be doubled.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pau gasol is a good player but hardly needs to be doubled.

Well, maybe Cleveland should start doubling him. Against them this year, he was 17-28 from the field while averaging 20 points and 12.5 rebounds.

In the last game in cleveland, Odom and Gasol combined for 46 points and 19 rebounds against ben wallace and company and that was the cavs only home loss of the season. Then again, Delonte West wasnt playing that game.

*side note- Delonte west is a solid NBA player and he is having a very good postseason. He is tough, smart and is able to hit the big shot when left open. I just scoff at the idea that he is any kind of impediment for kobe.