Borel off Bird for Rachel in Preakness

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by -BT-

as for who's gonna ride the bird,

ARIEL SMITH

[slotdirt]

Are we all in agreement that Borel had a significant impact in Mine that Bird's Derby win? If so, this has to be a VERY big deal.

[South Beach Luv]

The question is, if she wins, will Sports Illustrated put her on the cover too

[XIIPointStables]

any updates? is she a lock to run in the Preakness?

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Are we all in agreement that Borel had a significant impact in Mine that Bird's Derby win? If so, this has to be a VERY big deal.

yeah, but the derby is the only triple crown race where a jockey can pull that move. if this horse were to get out last in the preakness and try that last up the rail deal on a fast pimlico track, hes got no shot. and in the belmont it happens like every ten years, if that and the closer usually comes wide off the turn there. calvin does well at CD but like someone said at the other tracks hes just another jock. face it,that horse may never get a better set-up, no matter who rides him. on form, the derby may be a total toss race. we will soon find out.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

yeah, but the derby is the only triple crown race where a jockey can pull that move. if this horse were to get out last in the preakness and try that last up the rail deal on a fast pimlico track, hes got no shot. and in the belmont it happens like every ten years, if that and the closer usually comes wide off the turn there. calvin does well at CD but like someone said at the other tracks hes just another jock. face it,that horse may never get a better set-up, no matter who rides him. on form, the derby may be a total toss race. we will soon find out.

johnny why won't MTB pair up in the preakness?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by gales0678

johnny why won't MTB pair up in the preakness?

cause he's a GELDING.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

cause he's a GELDING.

funny cide was a gelding , he paired up , i think 5/1 on MTB in the preakness will be a steal fat , he was pulling away at CD , and s/b ready to roll next sat

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by gales0678

funny cide was a gelding , he paired up , i think 5/1 on MTB in the preakness will be a steal fat , he was pulling away at CD , and s/b ready to roll next sat

You should've been paying attention to Drugs:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What are you talking about?

Gales will be unloading on Mine That Bird.

Afterall - he might just be the single best horse Bennie L Woolley Jr. has ever trained!

Too late now.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

cause he's a GELDING.

I laughed.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

ARIEL SMITH

J D ACOSTA he does great at CT

[Scav]

Shane Laviolette is available

[slotdirt]

JD Acosta? What, no Gerald Almodovar?

Not for nothing, guys, but the way she jogged in the Oaks, I can't imagine she wouldn't be ready to come back for the Preakness.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

JD Acosta? What, no Gerald Almodovar?

Not for nothing, guys, but the way she jogged in the Oaks, I can't imagine she wouldn't be ready to come back for the Preakness.

This could be the single greatest mistake ever made by an owner, running back in 14 days off such a huge effort, even 5 weeks is a bit much. She might romp but this romp might cost her 3-4 starts in the future, unless the plan is no more after her 3 year old year

[gales0678]

scav why wouldn't we see her next year?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by gales0678

scav why wouldn't we see her next year?

Because horses that run huge efforts tend not to last. Look at IWR, he has a 8pt top, regressed 2 pts and is now pretty much has 3 hooves in the breeding shed....His type of injury is from RACING or over extension, which comes from huge huge efforts

I am not sure what the IWR connections could have done differently, maybe skip the Wood and take the 8 weeks or whatever it was, but that would have been majorly risky from a value and stud career perspective.

RA has won her race this year, why not give her 6-8 weeks to get over the effort and make a plan for her to get the BC.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Scav

Because horses that run huge efforts tend not to last. Look at IWR, he has a 8pt top, regressed 2 pts and is now pretty much has 3 hooves in the breeding shed....His type of injury is from RACING or over extension, which comes from huge huge efforts

I am not sure what the IWR connections could have done differently, maybe skip the Wood and take the 8 weeks or whatever it was, but that would have been majorly risky from a value and stud career perspective.

RA has won her race this year, why not give her 6-8 weeks to get over the effort and make a plan for her to get the BC.

This is such a bunch of b.s. and why we have paper tiger Champions.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

Because horses that run huge efforts tend not to last. Look at IWR, he has a 8pt top, regressed 2 pts and is now pretty much has 3 hooves in the breeding shed....His type of injury is from RACING or over extension, which comes from huge huge efforts

That 8 pt top was in switching surfaces so is irrelevant. There is no way to know if the horse was exerting himself anymore running 8 pts faster on the dirt than he was spinning his wheels on the Pro-Ride. Had he jumped to an 8 point top on the same surface then it would be significant. Either way, there is no way you skip getting the Wood on your stallion resume (no pun intended).

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Scav

This could be the single greatest mistake ever made by an owner, running back in 14 days off such a huge effort, even 5 weeks is a bit much. She might romp but this romp might cost her 3-4 starts in the future, unless the plan is no more after her 3 year old year

Ok, so explain to me how horses used to be able to run huge races with only a week or in some cases a few days in between?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Ok, so explain to me how horses used to be able to run huge races with only a week or in some cases a few days in between?

they still can , but the $ involved in the breedding games discourages this

back then i assume purse $ was more important for some of these owners

there s/b no reason why trainers can't get today's horses to run as much as horses from the past you are right