2009 Freshman Sires

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I certainly haven't seen a single Limehouse I'd be that interested in betting if they debuted in an early season MSW race at a fairly major circuit.

I think I've only watched 5 or so of them so far and he has over a hundred in this crop. Still, those would figure to be five of his better ones based on sales placement and that I believe all of them sold over his avg as yearlings.

[Antitrust32]

DrugS, what do you think of Closing Argument?

[philcski]

For what it's worth, here's the freshman sires who had multiple runners sell at OBS March and their averages. From a stud fee/sale price perspective, Closing Argument and Wildcat Heir stick out.

sire avg count
Ghostzapper 175,667 3
Southern Image 175,000 2
Rock Hard Ten 160,000 3
Forest Danger 123,000 4
Value Plus 99,250 4
Closing Argument 93,167 6
Wildcat Heir 70,833 6
Eddington 70,000 2
Grand Reward 67,500 8
Saint Liam 65,000 2
Eurosilver 59,000 3
Purge 51,667 3
Roman Ruler 40,250 4
Afleet Alex 38,333 3

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

DrugS, what do you think of Closing Argument?

He never ran a single triple digit figure in his career - and he raced for a big time training wiz in Kiaran McLaughlin.

He was actually once sold for just 10K as Jan yearling so he's probably not the most impressive looking horse ever.

I'd be a little skeptical of him. I realize he has a great sprinter pedigree and won his debut at Saratoga going just 5fs - and managed to run as good as anyone when 2nd in a low rated Kentucky Derby.

I haven't been that impressed with his 2yo's I've watched. I know Baffert bought one of them for 240K .. but I wasn't exactly wow'd with that one.

[Betsy]

Any thoughts about Purge? Pulpit is doing pretty well as a sire of sires and this guy was precocious and speedy.....pluse, he probably was best as a miler

[jpops757]

Will Wando pass on some of his potential that he seldom showed?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jpops757

Will Wando pass on some of his potential that he seldom showed?

Very doubtful

[Rudeboyelvis]

Was at March OBS both days - Of the few we went through, the Wildcat Heirs and the Grand Rewards definitely look the part - GZ's, after practically being given away at Adena were a little more appreciated, The Rock Hard Ten's were remarkably on the smallish side, Limehouse's were unimpressive looking.


Spent time out at Niall Brennan's and Bridlewood as well.... the Rockport Harbor yearlings I saw are amazing

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Was at March OBS both days - Of the few we went through, the Wildcat Heirs and the Grand Rewards definitely look the part - GZ's, after practically being given away at Adena were a little more appreciated, The Rock Hard Ten's were remarkably on the smallish side, Limehouse's were unimpressive looking.


Spent time out at Niall Brennan's and Bridlewood as well.... the Rockport Harbor yearlings I saw are amazing

Oh know another Fox Hill website for little Rocky's.. Someone get me a vomit bag..

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Purge was either very good or downright awful in all of his races. Some of his have looked decent.

Hard to expect much from Wando.

I think Midas Eyes has 2yo's this year ... though only 35 of them. Another old Gann/Frankel buy up in Madaglia D' Oro has been very solid at stud.

Midas Eyes won his 3rd career start in the Swale, off a long layoff, in track record time on the old GP track with a 110 Beyer. I think Posse and Whywhywhy were 2nd and 3rd beaten ten and fifteen lengths respectively in a nine or ten horse field. Just a mind-boggling performance.

Both Whywhywhy and Posse have each sired a couple Graded Stakes winners.

All of Midas Eyes yearlings sold like they have cancer last year. Fast, talented, Grade 1 winner by a Belmont Stakes winning sire and he already seems 100% written off before a single horse of his has ever hit the track.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Thx Lauren

That was BEYOND a low blow. I laughed

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Purge was either very good or downright awful in all of his races. Some of his have looked decent.

Hard to expect much from Wando.

I think Midas Eyes has 2yo's this year ... though only 35 of them. Another old Gann/Frankel buy up in Madaglia D' Oro has been very solid at stud.

Midas Eyes won his 3rd career start in the Swale, off a long layoff, in track record time on the old GP track with a 110 Beyer. I think Posse and Whywhywhy were 2nd and 3rd beaten ten and fifteen lengths respectively in a nine or ten horse field. Just a mind-boggling performance.

Both Whywhywhy and Posse have each sired a couple Graded Stakes winners.

All of Midas Eyes yearlings sold like they have cancer last year. Fast, talented, Grade 1 winner by a Belmont Stakes winning sire and he already seems 100% written off before a single horse of his has ever hit the track.

Very true. Already shipped off to New York. Touch Golds have never sold all that well for that matter, and he's sired some damn nice runners.

Most of the absolutely exceptional class of 1997 has been a bust at stud except for two. One of them has been very good and the other great. Who am I thinking of?

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Purge was either very good or downright awful in all of his races. Some of his have looked decent.

Hard to expect much from Wando.

I think Midas Eyes has 2yo's this year ... though only 35 of them. Another old Gann/Frankel buy up in Madaglia D' Oro has been very solid at stud.

Midas Eyes won his 3rd career start in the Swale, off a long layoff, in track record time on the old GP track with a 110 Beyer. I think Posse and Whywhywhy were 2nd and 3rd beaten ten and fifteen lengths respectively in a nine or ten horse field. Just a mind-boggling performance.

Both Whywhywhy and Posse have each sired a couple Graded Stakes winners.

All of Midas Eyes yearlings sold like they have cancer last year. Fast, talented, Grade 1 winner by a Belmont Stakes winning sire and he already seems 100% written off before a single horse of his has ever hit the track.

I guess they figured Purge was a miler too late - well, not too late since he won the Cigar Mile, but still ......

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Any thoughts about Purge? Pulpit is doing pretty well as a sire of sires and this guy was precocious and speedy.....pluse, he probably was best as a miler

I like Purge to do well this year