Turn em loose!

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Thats ridiculous. So if you are wrongly arrested and thrown into prison it is ok to turn to crime after being released? Nice logic.


How do you or anyone else know why these people were put in there? I mean did you hack into the CIA database? Or are you a Amnesty International junkie.

These are bad people and this is a dirty war. **** happens.

If you were thrown into an Iraqi or Afghan prison for no reason, were tortured, and then eventually released how would you feel about that country?

Fabricating charges against them is a hell of a lot better than violating the Geneva Convention if you want to go the "these are bad people and this is a dirty war" route. I'm sure these aren't good people but there are better ways of handling them than detaining them when you can't even drum up charges against them.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

If you were thrown into an Iraqi or Afghan prison for no reason, were tortured, and then eventually released how would you feel about that country?

Fabricating charges against them is a hell of a lot better than violating the Geneva Convention if you want to go the "these are bad people and this is a dirty war" route. I'm sure these aren't good people but there are better ways of handling them than detaining them when you can't even drum up charges against them.

why the hell do you believe they are thrown in for no reason?? That is moronic (no offense). They arent just throwing any Tom, Dick or Harry into jail for no reason (or any Muhommad, Osama, or Saddam).

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

why the hell do you believe they are thrown in for no reason?? That is moronic (no offense). They arent just throwing any Tom, Dick or Harry into jail for no reason (or any Muhommad, Osama, or Saddam).

Why the hell do you believe that they are all thrown in because they're terrorists? That is moronic (no offense). Yeah, because if there's anything the Bush administration was famous for, it was meticulous war strategy.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Why the hell do you believe that they are all thrown in because they're terrorists? That is moronic (no offense). Yeah, because if there's anything the Bush administration was famous for, it was meticulous war strategy.

yeah the soldiers who captured them all were directly linked to Bush in the oval office. And remind me again about who seemed to come out ahead in that war? Did we lose?

Tell me why exactly were the people thrown in Guantanamo put there? Bush people were looking to run up theri frequent flyer miles so they just grabbed every funny looking Abdul off the street? You do know that everyone in prison is innocent dont you? Just ask them.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

yeah the soldiers who captured them all were directly linked to Bush in the oval office. And remind me again about who seemed to come out ahead in that war? Did we lose?

Is this a trick question?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Is this a trick question?

Uh are we in charge.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Uh are we in charge.

This has to be like your "Jets suck" baiting posts. I know you're not this retarded.

[Rudeboyelvis]

It's a complete and absolute fuci<ing mess. People were rounded up based on "informants" turning others in - no due dilligence, nothing. If you got scooped up, all you had to do was turn in one of your neighbors that had pissed you off... What the purpose of the hysteria was is anybody's guess - all you have to do is watch what happened at Bagram and Abu Ghraib ..... The bonus is the other 90% that weren't terrorists are now. Catch "Taxi to the Darkside" on HBO - you will sh!t your pants...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

It's a complete and absolute fuci<ing mess. People were rounded up based on "informants" turning others in - no due dilligence, nothing. If you got scooped up, all you had to do was turn in one of your neighbors that had pissed you off... What the purpose of the hysteria was is anybody's guess - all you have to do is watch what happened at Bagram and Abu Ghraib ..... The bonus is the other 90% that weren't terrorists are now. Catch "Taxi to the Darkside" on HBO - you will sh!t your pants...

Yeah HBO that awesome source of truthful and unbiased information.

[Danzig]

since bush called this a war on terror, he wanted to treat every terrorist as an enemy combatant-but not as a soldier captured in a battle. it's a fine line....terrorists are criminals-they don't fight for a country, we're not fighting a germany for instance. so, those who are investigated, and then found to have committed, or are planning to commit, a crime should be charged under law-whether it's a u.s. law if they're caught here (much like if someone was here from canada, mexico, etc-they still fall under our court system) or an international law, or the country in which they resides' law. that's what everyone needs to figure out. if we follow a money trail, we have to hope we can persuade whatever country that terrorist resides in to arrest him. if they're here, or attempt to come here, we arrest them here. as for holding someone for years without a trial, you can't do that. yes, they're bad guys in many cases. so try them, or charge them and have the hague try them. but you can't just lock them up, no charges, and throw away the key. even the nazi war criminals got trials-that's what they must do in this case. absolutely lock the bad guys up-but you probably have to prove they're bad guys.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah HBO that awesome source of truthful and unbiased information.

You're right. I'm sure the documentary was completely fabricated; doctored the videos, edited the interviews, etc., all in a lefty effort to make Bush look bad.

Actually if you watched it, McCain comes out smelling like a rose - and this premiered well before the election.

Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush on the other hand deserve to be crucified. Literally.

And I'm a staunch conservative.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

You're right. I'm sure the documentary was completely fabricated; doctored the videos, edited the interviews, etc., all in a lefty effort to make Bush look bad.

Actually if you watched it, McCain comes out smelling like a rose - and this premiered well before the election.

Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush on the other hand deserve to be crucified. Literally.

And I'm a staunch conservative.

Well if the leftys are allowed to bash the source, the home of Bill Maher is a questionable one. Not to mention after seeing a producer of theirs first hand attempt to manipulate an interview on a far less important subject I question anything that HBO produces. The horseracing subjects that they have covered were all done in a manner that left out most of the boring truths and left in far more sensationalist material.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

It's a complete and absolute fuci<ing mess. People were rounded up based on "informants" turning others in - no due dilligence, nothing. If you got scooped up, all you had to do was turn in one of your neighbors that had pissed you off... What the purpose of the hysteria was is anybody's guess - all you have to do is watch what happened at Bagram and Abu Ghraib ..... The bonus is the other 90% that weren't terrorists are now. Catch "Taxi to the Darkside" on HBO - you will sh!t your pants...

Thank you. I don't have the energy to type more than two sentences in response to Rick Santorum over here.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Thank you. I don't have the energy to type more than two sentences in response to Rick Santorum over here.

OK Nancy Pelosi

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

If you were thrown into an Iraqi or Afghan prison for no reason, were tortured, and then eventually released how would you feel about that country?

Fabricating charges against them is a hell of a lot better than violating the Geneva Convention if you want to go the "these are bad people and this is a dirty war" route. I'm sure these aren't good people but there are better ways of handling them than detaining them when you can't even drum up charges against them.

If I was fighting against them i would probably expect it if captured. Think our prisoners get three hots and a cot? They get their heads cut off.

You know what they used to do with these types? Shoot them.


I love how you know that we "fabricated charges" against them. Wouldnt it have been easier to just "torture" them over there and dump the bodies when done? The problem was we tried to find a way to do it properly. The Geneva convention doesnt exactly apply and you know it. Hell most of the countries that these people are from dont want them back! This is a very tricky situation in that this kind of war has very little or no precedent. Obama didnt exactly kick open the door and clear out the Bay. They are all still there.

There is not going to be a clean solution to this issue. But acting as though we are wronging a bunch of innocents is crazy.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is not going to be a clean solution to this issue. But acting as though we are wronging a bunch of innocents is crazy.

I see, so I'm unqualified to say that we're torturing a bunch of innocent people, but it's within your expertise to say that they're all guilty. I get it now.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I see, so I'm unqualified to say that we're torturing a bunch of innocent people, but it's within your expertise to say that they're all guilty. I get it now.

I dont know if they are guilty or not but the overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence available to us seems to point to guilty. You made the yourself the expert by stating that 90% were innocent. get it now?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont know if they are guilty or not but the overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence available to us seems to point to guilty. You made the yourself the expert by stating that 90% were innocent. get it now?

You're right, I should leave it to the experts touting invisible 'circumstantial evidence' to justify torturing people. Nailed it!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're right, I should leave it to the experts touting invisible 'circumstantial evidence' to justify torturing people. Nailed it!

Please tell me where you are getting all your insight on the goings on there? or is it classified? I tend to side with the US military over the ACLU or Amnesty international. call me crazy.