Good Jub Obama!

Originally Posted by Danzig

because a fertilized egg won't necessarily attach itself to the uterine wall for starters.

i'd just as soon not get into that whole debate tho.

oops I did.

A little basic Biology can make things awfully gray.

[IrishofNDMan]

I'll give a little science lesson, correct me if im wrong...


The human sperm cells are alive. They are sex cells that contain half of the genetic code needed to make up our 46 chromosones.

Ova cells are likewise alive. They contain the other half of the genetic code.

When a sperm cell enters an ova a new cell is made. This cell is too alive and it is called a zygote. The zygote has all 46 chromosones in tact (half coming from the father, half from the mother). You now have a human being. 46 chromosones = human.

When did life begin? WHEN DID IT EVER END? The father is alive, the mother is alive, the sperm are alive, the ova is alive, the zygote is alive...EVERTHING IS ALIVE!!!

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

I'll give a little science lesson, correct me if im wrong...


The human sperm cells are alive. They are sex cells that contain half of the genetic code needed to make up our 46 chromosones.

Ova cells are likewise alive. They contain the other half of the genetic code.

When a sperm cell enters an ova a new cell is made. This cell is too alive and it is called a zygote. The zygote has all 46 chromosones in tact (half coming from the father, half from the mother). You now have a human being. 46 chromosones = human.

When did life begin? WHEN DID IT EVER END? The father is alive, the mother is alive, the sperm are alive, the ova is alive, the zygote is alive...EVERTHING IS ALIVE!!!

So if you have a wet dream
its like the killing fields?

Is there a diff. between alive and human?
When does a cell become a human?
You said at conception... thats a problem then.
Do you realize how many humans die without
anyone even knowing?

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

So if you have a wet dream
its like the killing fields?

You sound like a moron now. I was just saying that everything is alive to begin with, and when fertilization takes place is it no longer alive? It has all the chromosomes to be human, so how is it not?

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

So if you have a wet dream
its like the killing fields?

Is there a diff. between alive and human?
When does a cell become a human?
You said at conception... thats a problem then.
Do you realize how many humans die without
anyone even knowing?

Death happens, murder SHOULD not. Are you not understanding this is the point being made. I can accept death, but not abortion which is MURDER!

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

Death happens, murder SHOULD not. Are you not understanding this is the point being made. I can accept death, but not abortion which is MURDER!

So are birth control pills that shed a uterine lining with a zygote
murder or death? We are treading a very, very worn path.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

Death happens, murder SHOULD not. Are you not understanding this is the point being made. I can accept death, but not abortion which is MURDER!

i guess i just don't understand what this has to do with stem cell research. but the two subjects are intertwined for some reason in many peoples' minds.

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i guess i just don't understand what this has to do with stem cell research. but the two subjects are intertwined for some reason in many peoples' minds.

like i said, were they intertwined on election day???

The Catholic Church has bio-ethics experts discussing this
constantly. The Catholic church is very careful
in considering all cases involving the use of human cells
to make some sort of decisions that make sense. From
reproductive technology, to using body cells/ stem cells
for research. This is horribly difficult.

So forgive me if you come waltzing in making such definitive
statements in an area where Science has got way ahead
of ethics. And not on purpose, not for some evil deed.
This is an area where many very religious people go through
a great deal of debate and agony because some
aspects are so complex.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

like i said, were they intertwined on election day???

no doubt they were. obama could be the answer to all our troubles, but a great many will not vote for certain candidates solely on their stance on abortion-which i believe is ridiculous.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

When did life begin? WHEN DID IT EVER END? The father is alive, the mother is alive, the sperm are alive, the ova is alive, the zygote is alive...EVERTHING IS ALIVE!!!

You're right, bioethics are important, Irish, very important in all this.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

oops I did.

A little basic Biology can make things awfully gray.

well, i guess i really did too since i mentioned it and then explained my point a bit. but it's a very touchy subject to many. hell, i'm a mother of three-i think i get it.

[Danzig]

i'm going to go bury my bedsheets now, have a bit of a funeral.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm going to go bury my bedsheets now, have a bit of a funeral.

at least you have a healthy relationship!