Hey Vic Stauffer..........

[Antitrust32]

[quote=SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

I think the horse is called INFORMED, and Baffert put him in for what 25k-50k claiming? It had a 22k purse. Now it's running 2nd to Cowboy Cal, and ahead of Magnum. Those 2 came right back to win graded stakes, O.K. ?
Peace Chant couldn't beat 62,500 claimers, but (with Oneil's potions) could beat Machismo(who just ran a nice 2nd to Georgie Boy...A length off In Summation before that.) I'm still waiting for the explanation on Modification being pretty close to winning that Grade 2 last Sunday. What did Modification beat the week before? Caramel Coffee?

you know horse racing sucks when Cowboy Cal is winning graded races.

[jballscalls]

doesn't every rider make mistakes at some point?? and if you stay to the rail and save ground, your going to get burned and stopped once in a while. Sometimes i'd rather have guys save ground than go out into the 5 path all the time (see too much of that at PM)

Lots of haters on here, everyone's entitled to their opinion. Vic and Joel, keep up your success guys!

[Left Bank]

When I need a good laugh,I know I can always count on The Derby Trail forum and its cast of idiots to provide one for me.This thread has been hilarious!!Thanks guys.

[Honu]

Peace Chant was entered in the Barrets sale with a bunch of Jess Jacksons horses , Mandella got more money for the horse than he would have brought at auction. The horse was leaving the barn one way or another , be it at the sale or a claiming race, so there you have the whole scoop, let the crap slinging continue.

[Honu]

LOL well crap I didnt mean to ruin your hearty discussion.....

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Honu

LOL well crap I didnt mean to ruin your hearty discussion.....

Would you say the substantial increase in speed figure(compared to the effort he got the day he was claimed) is due to the change to dirt? He switched from dirt to Synthetic before, and didn't get the huge drop in performance these people's line of reasoning would suggest. It's not like he ran poorly when he switched from dirt to the synthetic in May of 07. That's not the poor performance (going to synthetic from dirt) that they keep suggesting he has. That figure is about the same as the previous race on dirt. Then, he was off a year, and never showed the same level of ability he had shown. If he had run poorly in that 1st race on synthetic, then I would understand that line of reasoning. To me, it's a mask for their cheating(since the new trainer has been caught atleast twice, and Mandella was caught when?... exactly ??) Mandella gets nice horses, and trains them in a conservative/traditional manor. When they aren't as good as they were(or the owner wants out,) then they get claimed, or bought, by a cheater, and get moved up to stakes wins. One cheats n' the other doesn't. You've seen this happen twice in the last 5 or 6 weeks. If Mandella isn't milkshaking at all, and these other guys are running 35-36 CO2, then they are probably gunna move up. I don't know if Turf Paradise is even testing CO2. If they don't, then who knows how high they run them.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Would you say the substantial increase in speed figure(compared to the effort he got the day he was claimed) is due to the change to dirt? He switched from dirt to Synthetic before, and didn't get the huge drop in performance these people's line of reasoning would suggest. It's not like he ran poorly when he switched from dirt to the synthetic in May of 07. That's not the poor performance (going to synthetic from dirt) that they keep suggesting he has. That figure is about the same as the previous race on dirt. Then, he was off a year, and never showed the same level of ability he had shown. If he had run poorly in that 1st race on synthetic, then I would understand that line of reasoning. To me, it's a mask for their cheating. Mandella gets nice horses, and trains them in a conservative/traditional manor. When they aren't as good as they were(or the owner wants out,) then they get claimed or bought by a cheater, and get moved up to stakes wins. One cheats n' the other doesn't. You've seen this happen twice in the last 5 or 6 weeks.

I think the switch to dirt made a huge diffirence with this horse because he is big and heavy and thick winded. I think the drop in class shipping to Turf Paradise helped him also because even when you run for optional claiming in California it still beats the **** out of any good stake horse they have in Arizona ......still to me the switch to dirt was the biggest help , that being
said Im sure whatever else Doug does to get a horse to a race doesnt hurt either .