Dutrow running one off 2 days rest

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

I could not tell from the vidoe but was right in front of the race and was pulled up very fast and looked to be in trouble as it happened.

Anyway to find out for sure what happened?

Spyder

Yes, I will find out. It may take a day or two but I will post it in this thread when I find out.

[Cannon Shell]

Broke a back leg.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Isn't Monmouth a layer of dirt over a slab of concrete?

[Cannon Shell]

Personally this bothers me a lot more than any of his other issues. If you run a horse back off of one days rest and it breaks down you should take 100% of the blame. Being reckless with the life of the horse is unforgivable. This is a disgrace.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Personally this bothers me a lot more than any of his other issues. If you run a horse back off of one days rest and it breaks down you should take 100% of the blame. Being reckless with the life of the horse is unforgivable. This is a disgrace.

Would seem the one thing you would most want to make sure doesn't happen. That's why I am surprised he ran back on a hard(fast) speed favoring surface like that.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Would seem the one thing you would most want to make sure doesn't happen. That's why I am surprised he ran back on a hard(fast) speed favoring surface like that.

The surface is immaterial. Surfaces take a whole lot more blame than they should because they cant argue back. 95% of breakdowns has nothing to do with surface.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Would seem the one thing you would most want to make sure doesn't happen. That's why I am surprised he ran back on a hard(fast) speed favoring surface like that.

Do you really think he cares? I personally think he knew that the horse had holes in him and tried to pass him on to someone else. No one bit and I am guessing the poor horse had to be put down. But I guess that there will be no mention of this between the Grade 1 and the posible pending suspention. But Contessa is the jerkoff. The whole thing just sucks.

[herkhorse]

WTF, when are these guys going to be held responsible? All they ever seem to get is a slap on the wrist.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

WTF, when are these guys going to be held responsible? All they ever seem to get is a slap on the wrist.

Nothing will happen. Nothing happens because as the Bid says, Dutrow has the magic wand and the owners lust after that. The horses, fans, game, rules be damned. I usually try let people understand the other side of the coin, from a trainers point of view. A lot of times there is outrage over things that simply arent as big of a deal as they are made out to be. Sometimes things are misinterpreted. But this is wrong on so many levels. Letting horses run back on 1 days rest is a questionable practice by the tracks/stewards. But ultimately the trainer and owner is responsible for the horses well being. This situation is really hard to reason away. A guy hitting a horse in the face caused an unbelievably negative response. This is so much worse than that...

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Nothing will happen. Nothing happens because as the Bid says, Dutrow has the magic wand and the owners lust after that. The horses, fans, game, rules be damned. I usually try let people understand the other side of the coin, from a trainers point of view. A lot of times there is outrage over things that simply arent as big of a deal as they are made out to be. Sometimes things are misinterpreted. But this is wrong on so many levels. Letting horses run back on 1 days rest is a questionable practice by the tracks/stewards. But ultimately the trainer and owner is responsible for the horses well being. This situation is really hard to reason away. A guy hitting a horse in the face caused an unbelievably negative response. This is so much worse than that...

Chuck, Is there a rule that the track/stewards have that they could have enfored not letting him run the horse? Or because it is Dutrow and Monmouth wants him to have a stable there, they pretty much let him do what he wants?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Chuck, Is there a rule that the track/stewards have that they could have enfored not letting him run the horse? Or because it is Dutrow and Monmouth wants him to have a stable there, they pretty much let him do what he wants?

The tracks have to look at this situation. I know that someone will come out and say that it is their horse, they can run him whenever they want, etc. But this almost never works out well. It is a bad situation for bettors also. Were the pp's from Fridays race in the form? Regardless of whether or not the horse breaks down, there needs to be some kind of standard. If the pp's cant make it into the form, the horse should not be allowed to run.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Personally this bothers me a lot more than any of his other issues. If you run a horse back off of one days rest and it breaks down you should take 100% of the blame. Being reckless with the life of the horse is unforgivable. This is a disgrace.

If Jeremy Rose got 6 months for essentially "animal abuse," as the Delaware Park stewards called it, what was this? Of course, hard to do something when the State Vet presumably OK'd the horse to race.

[parsixfarms]

Let's not forget that Dutrow is the same trainer who ran Golden Man in stakes on consecutive days at Monmouth and Delaware a few years ago. That horse was never the same afterwards.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Let's not forget that Dutrow is the same trainer who ran Golden Man in stakes on consecutive days at Monmouth and Delaware a few years ago. That horse was never the same afterwards.

Consecutive days? Wow..

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Let's not forget that Dutrow is the same trainer who ran Golden Man in stakes on consecutive days at Monmouth and Delaware a few years ago. That horse was never the same afterwards.

Respectfully Golden Man is still a horse that runs often and is making people money.. He has run a lot more then horses who have been given 90 days to recover from minor injury's..I am not defending Dutrow but your example is actually a declaration of why not as suppose to why?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Respectfully Golden Man is still a horse that runs often and is making people money.. He has run a lot more then horses who have been given 90 days to recover from minor injury's..I am not defending Dutrow but your example is actually a declaration of why not as suppose to why?

Actually, he was an up-and-coming 3YO at the time that Dutrow pulled that well-publicized stunt. He was never close to being the same horse afterwards. What is he now, a $10K claimer?

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Respectfully Golden Man is still a horse that runs often and is making people money.. He has run a lot more then horses who have been given 90 days to recover from minor injury's..I am not defending Dutrow but your example is actually a declaration of why not as suppose to why?

This is to the end of 2007.

COZIGOLDI, 1991, Cozzene- Big Goldie by Big Spruce.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI
2002 Golden Man,Dk B/,g,Suave Prospect 4 34 7 8 7 292,696 (106) 3.00
North America 2 YO Record 8 2 1 1 21,020 ( 87)
North America Turf Record 1 0 0 0 180 ( 82)
North America Dirt Sprints 13 1 3 3 42,596 (102)
North America Dirt Routes 20 6 5 4 249,920 (106)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 2 1 0 0 4,640 ( 81)
DP = 2-2-7-1-0 DI = 1.67 CD = 0.42 AWD = 8.14
At 3 2nd Leonard Richards S. -G3 (300,000), 3rd Peter Pan S. -G2
(200,000), Long Branch Breeders' Cup S. -G3 (147,250)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

If Jeremy Rose got 6 months for essentially "animal abuse," as the Delaware Park stewards called it, what was this? Of course, hard to do something when the State Vet presumably OK'd the horse to race.

The state vets on most occasions are not very sharp. Not to mention the fact that a quick prerace look at a horse you have never seen before isnt going to show much unless the issue is obvious.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The state vets on most occasions are not very sharp. Not to mention the fact that a quick prerace look at a horse you have never seen before isnt going to show much unless the issue is obvious.

My point was that it would be hard to penalize a guy for running an unfit/unsound horse, because the association would have egg on its own face (cursory look by its vet was ineffectual). That's why we always hear that it's just "an unfortunate part of the game" when a breakdown occurs.

By the way, Dutrow and Asmussen are now tied for one positive and one breakdown in the past week alone.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

If Jeremy Rose got 6 months for essentially "animal abuse," as the Delaware Park stewards called it, what was this? Of course, hard to do something when the State Vet presumably OK'd the horse to race.

good question. jeremy should have gotten his days, but trainers seem to always get off easy. a jock gets caught with a buzzer, gets five years. a trainer has overage after overage, and he gets to go to the hall of fame in a few years.