Larry Jones gets first drug positive ever

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Oaklawnfan

I just hope things work out. He has been a real boost to the Oaklawn meet. I know many of you don't even recognize that but Larry has made a real difference for us fans. Eight Belles, may she RIP, was something to watch. He has broght a lot to the table and I hope things work out for him.

I agree, trainers who cheat do a lot for the fans......they steal money from them.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree, trainers who cheat do a lot for the fans......they steal money from them.

Cheaters make sure its impossible to develop a industry.. You can't bet, you can't own, and you can't be a fan other then that I have nothing against juicers.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Cheaters make sure its impossible to develop a industry.. You can't bet, you can't own, and you can't be a fan other then that I have nothing against juicers.

Exactly.

[Oaklawnfan]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree, trainers who cheat do a lot for the fans......they steal money from them.

That's not where I was going.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The horse was no better than 5th in each of his first three career starts before coming to Delaware.

PETA is very clever. It's hard to get a price on a Jones runner at Delaware when he's winning at a 45% clip and in the exacta at a 75% clip - very well executed coup and great job picking the right horse for it.

I had my doubts about that group - but they obviously know how to make em win! They would have got away with it scott free if that pesky owner hadn't been so sharp to unravel it.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Oaklawnfan

That's not where I was going.

I'm confused.....you think that if someone is cheating they are helping the fans?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

you think that jerkins is cheating.. today the seas parted and he got a break....

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm confused.....you think that if someone is cheating they are helping the fans?

i was confused as to how larry jones helped oaklawn at all, cheating or not.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree, trainers who cheat do a lot for the fans......they steal money from them.

Jones has not been found guilty of cheating.

Does accusal (a positive) automatically equal guilt, or should due process (confirmation of positive, a hearing, a decision) be allowed to proceed?

Originally Posted by Riot

Jones has not been found guilty of cheating.

Does accusal (a positive) automatically equal guilt, or should due process (confirmation of positive, a hearing, a decision) be allowed to proceed?

There is no such thing as due process when these guys don't face the possibility of prison.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Riot

Jones has not been found guilty of cheating.

Does accusal (a positive) automatically equal guilt, or should due process (confirmation of positive, a hearing, a decision) be allowed to proceed?

What am I missing? His horse tested positive for a drug overage....coincidentally after running a remarkably improved race. Are you suggesting the test was incorrect?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What am I missing? His horse tested positive for a drug overage....coincidentally after running a remarkably improved race. Are you suggesting the test was incorrect?

but larry jones wears a white cowboy hat, surely he's one of the good guys?

Originally Posted by Danzig

but larry jones wears a white cowboy hat, surely he's one of the good guys?

There are no good guys from Hopkinsville.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What am I missing? His horse tested positive for a drug overage....coincidentally after running a remarkably improved race. Are you suggesting the test was incorrect?

The positive hasn't yet been confirmed.

Yes, tests can be incorrect. The racing jurisdictions know it, as the procedure for split sample testing to eliminate laboratory error as a cause for a positive, and as confirmation of a positive, is built into the system.

The only reason the public knows of this positive is because the owner decided to talk about it.

The track reps refused to talk about it with the press, as the case is still pending and the positive hasn't been confirmed - which if/when it is, will then lead to a hearing, and then to a decision by the part of the racing jurisdiction as to guilt or innocence.

I personally will wait until he's found guilty before calling Larry Jones a cheater.

But you go right ahead.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Riot

The positive hasn't yet been confirmed.

Yes, tests can be incorrect. The racing jurisdictions know it, as the procedure for split sample testing to eliminate laboratory error as a cause for a positive, and as confirmation of a positive, is built into the system.

The only reason the public knows of this positive is because the owner decided to talk about it.

The track reps refused to talk about it with the press, as the case is still pending and the positive hasn't been confirmed - which if/when it is, will then lead to a hearing, and then to a decision by the part of the racing jurisdiction as to guilt or innocence.

I personally will wait until he's found guilty before calling Larry Jones a cheater.

But you go right ahead.

I reread the thread....I never called Larry Jones a cheater. Don't put words in my mouth to suit your agenda.

I will reiterate what I did say.....I believe the people who cheat, whoever they are, are destroying this game.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I reread the thread....I never called Larry Jones a cheater. Don't put words in my mouth to suit your agenda.

I will reiterate what I did say.....I believe the people who cheat, whoever they are, are destroying this game.

Damn, I agree!

Someone said about Larry Jones, "He has been a real boost to the Oaklawn meet. I know many of you don't even recognize that but Larry has made a real difference for us fans."

You then said, "I agree, trainers who cheat do a lot for the fans......they steal money from them."

You're right - how foolish of me to have possibly thought you were referring to Larry Jones in your comment about trainers who cheat

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Riot

The positive hasn't yet been confirmed.

Yes, tests can be incorrect. The racing jurisdictions know it, as the procedure for split sample testing to eliminate laboratory error as a cause for a positive, and as confirmation of a positive, is built into the system.

The only reason the public knows of this positive is because the owner decided to talk about it.

As I read the articles, they don't seem to be disputing that the horse had an excessive amount of clenbuterol in his system; rather, they seem only to be questioning how it got there.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

As I read the articles, they don't seem to be disputing that the horse had an excessive amount of clenbuterol in his system; rather, they seem only to be questioning how it got there.

I think it must be a high positive, because the owner is so vocal. But Jones is asking for the retest, so maybe only borderline?

There was a trainer in the past year or two, who appealed a drug charge, had the sample retested, then suddenly the charge were dropped and the jurisdiction refused to talk about the result of the retest? Anyone remember this situation?

[prudery]

I would wait until the final test is in ... Jones does have a quarter of a century of cleanliness ..

OT a bit, but I remember a horse back in the 60's that came back positive for bute ... The trainer swore up and down nothing was administered to the horse so vociferously, and then tests came back just as loud positive, that someone got creative and quarantined and monitered this horse ... Still positive ...

Turned out the horse was manufacturing a substance that mimicked bute all by himself ... Very weird ... The horse's name was Star Ice, and I believe he was banned from racing because of this ...

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Riot

Jones has not been found guilty of cheating.

Does accusal (a positive) automatically equal guilt, or should due process (confirmation of positive, a hearing, a decision) be allowed to proceed?

Without offering an opinion on the specifics of this case, why does it always seem that we are more concerned about the "due process" rights of the cheaters than the honest horsemen that they are putting out of the business?