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Old 06-10-2008, 07:42 AM
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Likely to run (along with Recapturetheglory and Visionaire) in the Northern Dancer at Churchill.

Pure Clan will also try turf in the Regret..

http://www.drf.com/news/article/95344.html
CAN PYRO really make any noise in the division ?
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Old 06-10-2008, 08:24 AM
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CAN PYRO really make any noise in the division ?
If Da' Tara can, then they are a whole lot of horses that can make noise in this division.
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Old 06-10-2008, 08:27 AM
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If Pyro returns to his previous dirt form he could be a monster in this group.
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:29 AM
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I am very excited to see Pyro coming back. After his clunker on the Poly, then his disappointing finishing in the Derby, I think there is no bigger question out there right now than how he will do. Very true that if he can regain his previous dirt form that he will be a moster, and if not he is pretty much done.
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:33 AM
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I am very excited to see Pyro coming back. After his clunker on the Poly, then his disappointing finishing in the Derby, I think there is no bigger question out there right now than how he will do. Very true that if he can regain his previous dirt form that he will be a moster, and if not he is pretty much done.
DrugS has a chubby already!
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:39 AM
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If Pyro returns to his previous dirt form he could be a monster in this group.
What form he is slow like the rest of this years class.. His best race was sucking up for second in the Champagne to the only fast horse..War Pass
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Old 06-14-2008, 04:31 PM
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CAN PYRO really make any noise in the division ?

come on now, until he ran up the track on the AWT, he was a big voice in the division. two off efforts, and now seemingly back to his former self.


nice effort by pure clan on the grass as well.
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Old 06-14-2008, 04:38 PM
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Seemed like a real fast race. I wouldn't be surprised if Pyro won the West Virginia Derby.
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Old 06-14-2008, 05:57 PM
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Pyro's just not very good. . . It sounds redundant - but what an awful race/field.
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Old 06-14-2008, 06:09 PM
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I agree - if he couldn't beat that field - he probably has cancer or aids or something like that.

I was shocked that he paid 9/5 though. Recapturetheglory is still elidigible for N2X races and he was uncontested on the lead in a paceless ILL Derby over a gold rail. I know there wasn't much pace in this race - but I figured Pyro's repute - diminished as it has been - would push him to odds on.

From glancing at the final times - assuming they don't split a variant -his Beyer will come back 2 or 3 points less than Curlin's and 7 points more than Hystericalady's.

However, something tells me you might see them split the 8.5 and 9f races.
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Old 06-14-2008, 06:12 PM
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Pyro's just not very good. . . It sounds redundant - but what an awful race/field.
He's just terrible. I mean, if he were a handicapper, he'd probably be going on and on about horses like Harlem Rocker and Undbridled's Heart. Now, THOSE are VERY GOOD horses.
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Old 06-14-2008, 07:05 PM
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He's just terrible. I mean, if he were a handicapper, he'd probably be going on and on about horses like Harlem Rocker and Undbridled's Heart. Now, THOSE are VERY GOOD horses.
They've both run more impressive races than Pyro in my opinion. . .
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Old 06-14-2008, 07:07 PM
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and i thought pyros races earlier this year were pretty good-albeit not terribly fast. but no one has been all year. at least pyro put several good ones together, rather than a one and done. but we'll see how Unbridleds heart and harlem do next out....

as an aside....i found it interesting that every horse who has come back from the peter pan has won next out-they mentioned it on hrtv.
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Old 06-14-2008, 07:09 PM
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as an aside....i found it interesting that every horse who has come back from the peter pan has won next out-they mentioned it on hrtv.
I'm pretty sure that's not true. . .
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Old 06-14-2008, 07:17 PM
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They've both run more impressive races than Pyro in my opinion. . .
Well, they more IMPRESSIVELY BOMBED next out is probably more accurate.
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Old 06-14-2008, 07:24 PM
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Well, they more IMPRESSIVELY BOMBED next out is probably more accurate.
Just like Pyro did in the Bluegrass and Derby, right? Look - obviously Pyro's done more from an accomplishment standpoint than Harlem Rocker and definitely more than U's Heart who may just not be that good. And he was my second choice in the Derby. . . But, at least the other two (maybe just HR) have a chance to be very good - unlike Pyro - who clearly has a ceiling at this point (somewhere around a 95 beyer).
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