The Gods have finally spoken...

[Danzig]

i wouldn't say it does nothing. if it did nothing, then why give it?

[phystech]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i wouldn't say it does nothing. if it did nothing, then why give it?

Advice - learn more about it before you ask questions about it, unless those questions are asked because you don't understand it and want to learn more....

I won 6 races with a horse that wouldn't eat, and wouldn't hold any weight. Off the claim he was a fish - look at him from front and he disappeared. A little Equipoise and he ate up and looked for more - and started winning.

Did we win because of steroids? YES. Did the horse turn into Arnold? NO. But he put on some healthy weight and maintained it because....... he ATE.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by phystech

Advice - learn more about it before you ask questions about it, unless those questions are asked because you don't understand it and want to learn more....

I won 6 races with a horse that wouldn't eat, and wouldn't hold any weight. Off the claim he was a fish - look at him from front and he disappeared. A little Equipoise and he ate up and looked for more - and started winning.

Did we win because of steroids? YES. Did the horse turn into Arnold? NO. But he put on some healthy weight and maintained it because....... he ATE.

of course i asked because i wanted to know the answer. but logic would dictate that someone wouldn't go to the monthly expense of giving something if it truly did NOTHING. it does something-which i read a few minutes ago was keep a good appetite in a horse, etc. and you just said the same, so thanks for the answer.

Originally Posted by phystech

Advice - learn more about it before you ask questions about it, unless those questions are asked because you don't understand it and want to learn more....

I won 6 races with a horse that wouldn't eat, and wouldn't hold any weight. Off the claim he was a fish - look at him from front and he disappeared. A little Equipoise and he ate up and looked for more - and started winning.

Did we win because of steroids? YES. Did the horse turn into Arnold? NO. But he put on some healthy weight and maintained it because....... he ATE.

Lets be genuine. The medication is used for what you
said. That is part of what it is supposed to be used for.
But it is also used for other reasons because...
I thought it was also supposed to be used for Low blood
counts, for horses that had already shown some debilitation.
But some steroids are used on perfectly healthy horses.


As far as Dutrow people dont like him because humility is
something that many people admire. Dutrow has obviously
worked his butt off and been through hard times. But of
course the press is gonna pound on a guy as cocky as
he is. What the heck does one expect?

[phystech]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Lets be genuine. The medication is used for what you
said. That is part of what it is supposed to be used for.
But it is also used for other reasons because...
I thought it was also supposed to be used for Low blood
counts, for horses that had already shown some debilitation.
But some steroids are used on perfectly healthy horses.


As far as Dutrow people dont like him because humility is
something that many people admire. Dutrow has obviously
worked his butt off and been through hard times. But of
course the press is gonna pound on a guy as cocky as
he is. What the heck does one expect?

Let's be clear - I don't advocate the misuse of steroids - but as you point out, I do believe they serve a purpose when used properly.

Pertaining to Rick - I understand the opinion some have from watching 30 second snippets on TV. I can't claim to know this guy just because he caught my fastballs in high school 30 years ago. But I can tell you this - as teenagers, when he and his brothers liked something, they were all in. If it was a baseball team, a basketball team, or a 250 lb friend that entered disco dancing contests in 1975, Rick was all in. Whatever it was, he was all in.

That's the Rick I saw the last 5 weeks - all in.......

Originally Posted by phystech

Let's be clear - I don't advocate the misuse of steroids - but as you point out, I do believe they serve a purpose when used properly.

Pertaining to Rick - I understand the opinion some have from watching 30 second snippets on TV. I can't claim to know this guy just because he caught my fastballs in high school 30 years ago. But I can tell you this - as teenagers, when he and his brothers liked something, they were all in. If it was a baseball team, a basketball team, or a 250 lb friend that entered disco dancing contests in 1975, Rick was all in. Whatever it was, he was all in.

That's the Rick I saw the last 5 weeks - all in.......

If he is all in, then he knows how to take the good
and the bad the media can present through snippets.
He was presented in quite a favorable light with his daughter.

But I think we all understand that when he associates with
a guy who has misrepresented himself numerous times...Mr. Stock Trader...
that Dutrow himself will be highly scrutinized.

Or heck maybe he just does not care.

[phystech]

Originally Posted by pgardn

If he is all in, then he knows how to take the good
and the bad the media can present through snippets.
He was presented in quite a favorable light with his daughter..

I agree with this. And yet, the snippets of "I'm confident" was a little over the top and agitating....

Originally Posted by pgardn

But I think we all understand that when he associates with
a guy who has misrepresented himself numerous times...Mr. Stock Trader...
that Dutrow himself will be highly scrutinized.

Or heck maybe he just does not care.

IEAH is his meal ticket right now so I can't fault him for his association. In a perfect world, it'd be nice to see him take stand once arriving at an informed opinion, if it was warranted, and tell IEAH to take a hike. But, frankly, I'm not sure Rick would understand what Iavarone does, or has done, other than seeing acheck for mucho dinero coming in every month. And if IEAH pays each month on time, that makes them an even more valuable consumer....