The Gods have finally spoken...

[The Bid]

I personally expect more out of Bailey, hes been around the horses long enough to know a shot of winstrol every 15 days doesnt do anything

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I personally expect more out of Bailey, hes been around the horses long enough to know a shot of winstrol every 15 days doesnt do anything

i thought it was once a month on the 15th. and bailey rode the horses, all he had to know about them was which way to face.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by CSC

I think the point he was making was Big Brown's 1/4 crack was not as bad as Touch Gold's and that his connections said it wasn't a problem especially after his good works after the patch. Therefore it cannot be used as an excuse.

Looking back on the situation and how I remember it, I think it's the other way around. I thought Touch Gold's wasn't that bad. If it had been, they had every reason to scratch. He wasn't in position to win the TC. Big Brown's situation was different. I don't think he's running today if a TC wasn't on the line but since it was and he was, I don't think they were totally forthcoming in how serious it was and I don't blame them if they weren't.

My thinking is that they thought Big Brown was some kind of superhorse and could overcome anything. I never thought that. I think he's a very good horse and had accomplished some very nice things but I think what he's done had more to do with what he was able to run against than it had to do with how great he is. Truly great horses can overcome major obstacles. Good ones need more to go their way. He didn't have everything go his way and things caught up with him.

[_ed_]

Originally Posted by DogsUp

Well congrats to Nick Zito and Da Tara.

Yeah ditto.

Very impressive.

[phystech]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

how does racing take a step forward with a triple crown winner? will someone explain that?

Because it draws the fans interest, it draws the media interest, and all of that helps the sport. This horse would be the toast of the town, the media darling, the fan's choice..... if..... and it didn't happen. And instead we have abunch of assholes that will ask if he should have run with the quarter crack, or if the lack of the "shot' was the cause.......


Can u imagine the interest in the Travers if he'd won and run? Or the match of an undefeated TC winner against Curlin in the BC Classic?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Looking back on the situation and how I remember it, I think it's the other way around. I thought Touch Gold's wasn't that bad. If it had been, they had every reason to scratch. He wasn't in position to win the TC. Big Brown's situation was different. I don't think he's running today if a TC wasn't on the line but since it was and he was, I don't think they were totally forthcoming in how serious it was and I don't blame them if they weren't.

My thinking is that they thought Big Brown was some kind of superhorse and could overcome anything. I never thought that. I think he's a very good horse and had accomplished some very nice things but I think what he's done had more to do with what he was able to run against than it had to do with how great he is. Truly great horses can overcome major obstacles. Good ones need more to go their way. He didn't have everything go his way and things caught up with him.

bid couldn't overcome a pin and franklin...and big brown was no spectacular bid.

once again, a trainer underestimates his competition and a physical issue with his horse, and overestimates the ability of his horse to overcome several obstacles. i agree that had big brown not been going for the tc, he'd have been in his stall today, rather than on the track.

[The Bid]

You are probably right Danzig, whether it be 15 days, or once every 30 it still doesnt do anything at all

Bailey is a fairly intelligent guy and hes been around the game his entire adult life. He knows the Winstrol does nothing

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by phystech

It's days like this that make me sick to be a horse owner.

I'm extremely disappointed to see that Ricky didn't realize every horse owners or trainers dream - to win the Triple Crown.

It disgusts me to see the crap written about him based on sound bites from the maggot media. It further disgusts me to see the venom spewed by the so called "fans" of the sport who cheer Big Brown's loss.

If Cannon were so lucky as to have a tri-crown horse for DT Stable next year, would we be so lucky as to escape the microscope of the doubting fans? Of course not - the media and the "fans" would find something to hate about us.

If I can have a $5k claimer that wins an N1X and hear wails of "they must have cheated" when I won.... it can just be a brutal sport no matter what you do.

I wanted to see a Triple Crown winner today, I wanted to see my friend win the Triple Crown today, and I wanted to see racing take a step forward today. At the end of the day, I'm left with an empty bag - I haven't felt so disappointed since I dropped a slip on a $32k claimer that fractured a knee, broke down and all I ended up with was an empty halter and a bill to kill the horse after the race.....

Easy Tom, it will be ok. The guy won the Derby and Preakness, he is doing ok. But part of sports and competition is rooting for the teams and people that you like and rooting against the ones you dont like. Personally I have nothing against Dutrow. I actually feel kind of bad for him (because i know he will second guess himself forever) but some of the other connections (mostly guys that arent in the limelight) talked so much that it is hard not to root against them. And i'm sure that if we had a TC contender that Scavs would be a huge media target but that's the way it goes...

[Danzig]

i wouldn't say it does nothing. if it did nothing, then why give it?

[The Bid]

Psytech, who says hes the fans choice? There are a lot of people who didnt care for Big Brown, the connections, the trainer, he was hardly a fan favorite with all the recent news on the connections. He was the betting choice, thats about it

It would do nothing to improve a horses performance outside eating. They give it because it keeps them eating, and its a mark up.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i thought it was once a month on the 15th. and bailey rode the horses, all he had to know about them was which way to face.

Most Jockeys dont spend much time around horses except when they ride them, which is a good thing because if they only knew...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by phystech

It's days like this that make me sick to be a horse owner.

I'm extremely disappointed to see that Ricky didn't realize every horse owners or trainers dream - to win the Triple Crown.

It disgusts me to see the crap written about him based on sound bites from the maggot media. It further disgusts me to see the venom spewed by the so called "fans" of the sport who cheer Big Brown's loss.

If Cannon were so lucky as to have a tri-crown horse for DT Stable next year, would we be so lucky as to escape the microscope of the doubting fans? Of course not - the media and the "fans" would find something to hate about us.

If I can have a $5k claimer that wins an N1X and hear wails of "they must have cheated" when I won.... it can just be a brutal sport no matter what you do.

I wanted to see a Triple Crown winner today, I wanted to see my friend win the Triple Crown today, and I wanted to see racing take a step forward today. At the end of the day, I'm left with an empty bag - I haven't felt so disappointed since I dropped a slip on a $32k claimer that fractured a knee, broke down and all I ended up with was an empty halter and a bill to kill the horse after the race.....

Cheating Trashtalker stepped in poo. You didn't have to look very hard to find something to hate about this guy. Most of us have been taught to respect our competition. The reason our parents and coaches taught us that is because things can just go wrong(even if you think you are the best.) Even if you cheat(which really is the main reason he has the confidence to make fun of his competition,) you can get beat. I don't know how you could feel sorry for this guy. This guy is trashtalkin' royalty.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by phystech

Because it draws the fans interest, it draws the media interest, and all of that helps the sport. This horse would be the toast of the town, the media darling, the fan's choice..... if..... and it didn't happen. And instead we have abunch that assholes that will aks if he should have run with the quarter crack, or if the lack of the "shot' was the cause.......


Can u imagine the interest in the Travers if he'd won and run? Or the match of an undefeated TC winner against Curlin in the BC Classic?

only those who follow the sport would get excited about a curlin/brown match up. all those people today only knew a tc was on the line, and if they saw him win they could say they were there to see it. but i bet if you go and ask 100 people about a curlin/brown match up, you'd get a blank stare followed by 'who?'. most of the folks who go to the derby/preakness/belmont races only go for the spectacle. they put a few bucks down based on a name, the silks, or their lucky number. look how many bet big truck at churchill because they confused him with big brown. then those in md and ny bet the derby winner. that's all they know, and it doesn't stick with them. hell, most people can't pick the president out of a line up, and you think they're going to remember a horse?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by phystech

Because it draws the fans interest, it draws the media interest, and all of that helps the sport. This horse would be the toast of the town, the media darling, the fan's choice..... if..... and it didn't happen. And instead we have abunch that assholes that will aks if he should have run with the quarter crack, or if the lack of the "shot' was the cause.......


Can u imagine the interest in the Travers if he'd won and run? Or the match of an undefeated TC winner against Curlin in the BC Classic?

Tom,
media attention now IS negative. That is what I have been saying all along. That the mainstream media covers every event looking for an issue to make into a story. They cover all events like that and horseracing isnt immune to it. When the supposed house guys like Moss and Bailey make statements like they have made after the derby and today what can we expect. What if he won the race and went lame afterwards? then the media would be talking about how they must have doped him up to get him through the race. Or if they decide to retire him after winning? What good is that? Horseracing should learn from baseball. Just ignore the bad publicity and move on like nothing happened. Look at all the bad stuff that has happened to that sport and yet they roll right along.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Psytech, who says hes the fans choice? There are a lot of people who didnt care for Big Brown, the connections, the trainer, he was hardly a fan favorite with all the recent news on the connections. He was the betting choice, thats about it

It would do nothing to improve a horses performance outside eating. They give it because it keeps them eating, and its a mark up.

just read this in a drf article:

"It's not that kind of situation," Bramlage said. "Anabolic steroids keep them eating and happy and aggressive, which he showed all week long."

[The Bid]

Hes takling about a Test, Deca, the Winstrol doesnt make them aggressive. It keeps them eating, it has nothing to do with their performance once they hit the racetrack. Probably increases the chances of bleeding which is why all American horses need lasix

[phystech]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i wouldn't say it does nothing. if it did nothing, then why give it?

Advice - learn more about it before you ask questions about it, unless those questions are asked because you don't understand it and want to learn more....

I won 6 races with a horse that wouldn't eat, and wouldn't hold any weight. Off the claim he was a fish - look at him from front and he disappeared. A little Equipoise and he ate up and looked for more - and started winning.

Did we win because of steroids? YES. Did the horse turn into Arnold? NO. But he put on some healthy weight and maintained it because....... he ATE.

[Split Rock]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

It was God who said that he should be 4 wide the whole way around the track?

Yea...that's likely the reason he eased... extended way too much energy going 4 wide....although, in the Derby, I think he was 10 wide and won in a gallop.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

Yea...that's likely the reason he eased... extended way too much energy going 4 wide....although, in the Derby, I think he was 10 wide and won in a gallop.

who won the Canterbury race?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by phystech

Advice - learn more about it before you ask questions about it, unless those questions are asked because you don't understand it and want to learn more....

I won 6 races with a horse that wouldn't eat, and wouldn't hold any weight. Off the claim he was a fish - look at him from front and he disappeared. A little Equipoise and he ate up and looked for more - and started winning.

Did we win because of steroids? YES. Did the horse turn into Arnold? NO. But he put on some healthy weight and maintained it because....... he ATE.

of course i asked because i wanted to know the answer. but logic would dictate that someone wouldn't go to the monthly expense of giving something if it truly did NOTHING. it does something-which i read a few minutes ago was keep a good appetite in a horse, etc. and you just said the same, so thanks for the answer.