Clemens: BigFATLIar

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

umm..what about the anti-trust exemption they enjoy?

What is the relation between antitrust exemption and HGH or Roger Clemens? The exemption was not some gift for good behavior.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What is the relation between antitrust exemption and HGH or Roger Clemens? The exemption was not some gift for good behavior.

Well..if you are granted/grandfathered a gift since 1922, at some point you have to have some accountability for your business practices.

The IRS can audit me for inane things..why can't Congress audit MLB once in a while.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Well..if you are granted/grandfathered a gift since 1922, at some point you have to have some accountability for your business practices.

The IRS can audit me for inane things..why can't Congress audit MLB once in a while.

It is not exactly a gift as it has been upheld by the court systems three times since. The reality is that the antitrust exemption is only pertinent in regards to baseball in movement of franchises, tv contracts and minor league affliiations with regards to the players. The only thing that would occur if the exemption was lifted is owners would be able to move franchises easier as the other leagues have already figured out how to deal with the other 2 issues.

I still dont see this hearing as an accountability issue except for 2 individuals. I never said that they couldnt hold these hearings but what were they hoping to do except get some facetime on national TV in an election year? What if Clemens had said, yeah I took them a few times, I'm sorry and I plead the 5th to everything else? OK so he admits it. Then what? An ex baseball player took HGH. McNamee doesnt go to jail. Is this important enough to spend millions investagating if Clemens is telling the truth? What does it matter? There were a lot of other names in the report. Arent we all supposed to be considered equal in the eyes of the law? I think Clemens is lying. But what difference does it really make to the citizens of the US?

Pettitte apologizes to the Yankees, Astros, his teammates and family.
No apology for his misremembering for Clemens.
Pettitte just said in an interview if anyone thinks he is lying
all they need to do is come and face him. Pettitte said he
has misled no one. (Pettitte has clearly aimed this at Roger even
though he says they are still friends that have not talked latelty)
Pettitte even said McNamee tried to tell him
NOT to use the stuff.

The title of the thread remains more than valid.
I will admit extreme prejudice. I have always really disliked
this guy even though he pitched for my alma matre
in college.

What a dck head. He is so following Pete Rose.
There is so much Clemens could say that he has
not. And thats because he is a liar.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is not exactly a gift as it has been upheld by the court systems three times since. The reality is that the antitrust exemption is only pertinent in regards to baseball in movement of franchises, tv contracts and minor league affliiations with regards to the players. The only thing that would occur if the exemption was lifted is owners would be able to move franchises easier as the other leagues have already figured out how to deal with the other 2 issues.

I still dont see this hearing as an accountability issue except for 2 individuals. I never said that they couldnt hold these hearings but what were they hoping to do except get some facetime on national TV in an election year? What if Clemens had said, yeah I took them a few times, I'm sorry and I plead the 5th to everything else? OK so he admits it. Then what? An ex baseball player took HGH. McNamee doesnt go to jail. Is this important enough to spend millions investagating if Clemens is telling the truth? What does it matter? There were a lot of other names in the report. Arent we all supposed to be considered equal in the eyes of the law? I think Clemens is lying. But what difference does it really make to the citizens of the US?

OK..A lot of stuff there Chuck..

And I can't do that neat cut and paste like you can to address certain parts of your e-mail..damn..but.

If it doesn't make a difference ( that much), then remove the exemption...but...I think that wouldn't go over so well.

Roger= Barry=Mark= Any MLB player..Forget the name..they are testifying based on who they work for,

My issue isn't with Roger, et al, it's with MLB as a company. It's pretty obvious from horse racing that when someone is implicated, the sport in general is implicated. Maybe it's sad, but that's what I want to see happen to baseball.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

OK..A lot of stuff there Chuck..

And I can't do that neat cut and paste like you can to address certain parts of your e-mail..damn..but.

If it doesn't make a difference ( that much), then remove the exemption...but...I think that wouldn't go over so well.

Roger= Barry=Mark= Any MLB player..Forget the name..they are testifying based on who they work for,

My issue isn't with Roger, et al, it's with MLB as a company. It's pretty obvious from horse racing that when someone is implicated, the sport in general is implicated. Maybe it's sad, but that's what I want to see happen to baseball.

Like I said if they remove the excepmtion then owners will have a much easier time moving teams. Of course MLB wants to keep it, but it isnt this get out of jail free card that it is made out to be.

If you dont think baseball has been implicated by this what do you need? Executions? If we still watch/go to the games, buy the merchandise, etc then aren't we a big part of the problem? Do you think this will negatively effect attendance? I doubt it.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If we still watch/go to the games, buy the merchandise, etc then aren't we a big part of the problem? Do you think this will negatively effect attendance? I doubt it.

not to me but this is what really gets my goat. (cubs). Baseball was in the dumper after the strike and guys juiced up on HGH/ Steroids started a homerun derby and got everyone excited about baseball again.

Now baseball is feigning ignorance

I also think Congress is grasping at straws. They refuse to do what the people want and were hoping this would somehow distract us.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

not to me but this is what really gets my goat. (cubs). Baseball was in the dumper after the strike and guys juiced up on HGH/ Steroids started a homerun derby and got everyone excited about baseball again.

Now baseball is feigning ignorance

I also think Congress is grasping at straws. They refuse to do what the people want and were hoping this would somehow distract us.

This is a totally divided nation.Congress is doing exactly what people want(to muzzle Geedubbya enough so he can't totally destroy the country.)Now,if you get rid of Nascartonia(Texas,OK.,LOUIS.,ARK.,MISS.,BAMA,TENN. ,GEORGIA,both Carolinas,the Florida Panhandle etc.,) then the Congress might be able to accomplish something.Don't expect to get much done with a conservative ideologue president,and a slim Democratic Majority in the House and the Senate.Just isn't going to happen.For the most part, this country will tread water until we divide it up into 2 parts.Those would be Nascartonia and America(Sans Hee-Haw.)