Clemens: BigFATLIar

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The fact that Congress is having hearing on this is troubling. The fact that this is simply political grandstanding over an issue that has no relevence to the American public at large and was not a crime comitted against anyone seems to have been missed by the media except in rare instances. HGH is readily available and just this morning there was a story on CNN about a Dr. in Beverly Hills who "specializes" in antiaging who admitted on camera on national tv that only about 25 % of his customers have a true medical need for it. If there truly are enforcable laws concerning this drug then they dont seem to be enforced.

Well,it is indeed illegal to take HGH without a prescription.It is indeed against the law to give it to patients without a deficiency or a specific disease (like Aids.) This doctor(Berger) in Beverly Hills will probably be investigated,and reprimanded(after making 2 or 3 million bucks.) If there was a way to give you the positive effects only(then they would be doing it.)Hormones affect a lot of organs in the body.If you have excess hormone in your body,then you will suffer long-term consequences. Go ahead n' try it.You will see hormones aren't as limited or( specific) in their action, as you would like.Don't take your body's organs for granted.You mess with them(by taking excess hormones,) and they can fail on you.The last thing you want to do is give the message to people that it's like taking a lil extra cough medicine(or extra-strong coffee.)

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well,it is indeed illegal to take HGH without a prescription.It is indeed against the law to give it to patients without a deficiency or a specific disease (like Aids.) This doctor(Berger) in Beverly Hills will probably be investigated,and reprimanded(after making 2 or 3 million bucks.) If there was a way to give you the positive effects only(then they would be doing it.)Hormones affect a lot of organs in the body.If you have excess hormone in your body,then you will suffer long-term consequences. Go ahead n' try it.You will see hormones aren't as limited or( specific) in their action, as you would like.Don't take your body's organs for granted.You mess with them(by taking excess hormones,) and they can fail on you.

Was the one Congressman correct that it is illegal to take B-12 without a prescription as well? Loved it how Clemens immediately blamed his Mom for it.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Maybe you care Scuds and that's fine. But overall, the public believes they cheat and don't really care. There have got to be more pressing issues for congress to tackle than what grown men decide to put in their bodies to gain an edge. The only people they are hurting.....is themselves.

Where you are wrong (both of you) is when you keep saying there is no crime against anybody.It's a lie.They illegally took HGH and or steroids without having A disease or A deficiency(OF HGH.) That's illegal.Now,that is not the biggest problem.The biggest problem is they took them to cheat somebody.You're not getting that part.The ethics involved here.This is cheating other players who had to compete with them.O.K.,and the fact you don't particularly care about cheating is because we don't go hard enough on people who cheat in professional situations.Kids see these guys get off,and they think it's o.k. to take bribes or whatever.Eventually ya just got a bunch of animals eating each other.If you don't have ethics in society,then the only thing that matters is who has the power at any given moment.Both of you have Machiavellian tendencies,and that's where this attitude comes from(this attitude that cheating is no big deal,and just get over it.)

You guys have no idea how many useless hearings go on besides baseball and steriods. You say these guys have better things to do... What? They grandstand with hearings all the time.

I personally hope they try Clemens for perjury. Make a statement to all these entertainers that they just cant lie to under oath and to Grand Juries. Lock him up and send a statement about lying.

I know one thing for sure. The most bizarre Congressman I have now ever seen is Dan/Don Barton from Indiana. Republicans should be absolutely ashamed of this idiot. I need to look into this guy and how the hell he got elected to do anything. He is a clown. Anybody from Indiana, help me with this guy...

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by pgardn

You guys have no idea how many useless hearings go on besides baseball and steriods. You say these guys have better things to do... What? They grandstand with hearings all the time.

I personally hope they try Clemens for perjury. Make a statement to all these entertainers that they just cant lie to under oath and to Grand Juries. Lock him up and send a statement about lying.

I know one thing for sure. The most bizarre Congressman I have now ever seen is Dan/Don Barton from Indiana. Republicans should be absolutely ashamed of this idiot. I need to look into this guy and how the hell he got elected to do anything. He is a clown. Anybody from Indiana, help me with this guy...

....... i heard he is way out there, was all over clinton about the lewinski situation.........while he had fathered a child out of wedlock with one of his staff????

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Was the one Congressman correct that it is illegal to take B-12 without a prescription as well? Loved it how Clemens immediately blamed his Mom for it.

Yeah,lidocaine,and B-12 are both prescription injectables.I don't think this guy would have been licensed to inject them,either(especially Lidocaine=only at the site of an injury...not buttocks.)Usually,just nurses and doctors can give these injections. To me,the big thing is the fact he and the others cheated.I mean for some reason people don't seem to be bothered by a guy trying to cheat to beat opponents who need to win just as much as he does.If you saw a golfer cheat,the golfer would not just get away with it.

[whodey17]

Clemens can lie all he wants. Bush will just pardon him if he is charged with something.

[Cannon Shell]

McNamee should be indicted for perjury for saying that he never heard of Vitamin b-12. Where did he get his degree? Arizona State?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

McNamee should be indicted for perjury for saying that he never heard of Vitamin b-12. Where did he get his degree? Arizona State?

Got it online(I think.)

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Where you are wrong (both of you) is when you keep saying there is no crime against anybody.It's a lie.They illegally took HGH and or steroids without having A disease or A deficiency(OF HGH.) That's illegal.Now,that is not the biggest problem.The biggest problem is they took them to cheat somebody.You're not getting that part.The ethics involved here.This is cheating other players who had to compete with them.O.K.,and the fact you don't particularly care about cheating is because we don't go hard enough on people who cheat in professional situations.Kids see these guys get off,and they think it's o.k. to take bribes or whatever.Eventually ya just got a bunch of animals eating each other.If you don't have ethics in society,then the only thing that matters is who has the power at any given moment.Both of you have Machiavellian tendencies,and that's where this attitude comes from(this attitude that cheating is no big deal,and just get over it.)

This is all in a fantasy world. These are baseball players we are talking about. They get paid millions of dollars to play a damn game! The Mitchell report and these hearings got nothing accomplished. It's all perception, the majority of people think that Bonds and Clemens took steroids. But has it been proved? OJ was found innocent, and the perception is that he is guilty. People are going to believe what they want. What about everyone else that admitted that they took steroids? Last time I checked nothing has happened. All I was saying is that I believe that there are plenty of other major issues that congressman could tackle if they wanted to. Cheating in baseball is the biggest crisis in the country, are they going to go after corked bats and spit balls next? Is Gaylord Perry even still alive to recieve a subpoena? As far as the children go, Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds should be the biggest problem I have to protect my children from, instead of some of the scum / maniacs out there. This whole process has been nothing more than political grandstanding and a waste of taxpayers money.

Originally Posted by alysheba4

....... i heard he is way out there, was all over clinton about the lewinski situation.........while he had fathered a child out of wedlock with one of his staff????

Interesting.
He just seemed like such a scum snakeoil salesman.
Dont know how some of these Congressman keep
getting re-elected. People in his district have
some sort of retardation.

Originally Posted by MaTH716

This is all in a fantasy world. These are baseball players we are talking about. They get paid millions of dollars to play a damn game! The Mitchell report and these hearings got nothing accomplished. It's all perception, the majority of people think that Bonds and Clemens took steroids. But has it been proved? OJ was found innocent, and the perception is that he is guilty. People are going to believe what they want. What about everyone else that admitted that they took steroids? Last time I checked nothing has happened. All I was saying is that I believe that there are plenty of other major issues that congressman could tackle if they wanted to. Cheating in baseball is the biggest crisis in the country, are they going to go after corked bats and spit balls next? Is Gaylord Perry even still alive to recieve a subpoena? As far as the children go, Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds should be the biggest problem I have to protect my children from, instead of some of the scum / maniacs out there. This whole process has been nothing more than political grandstanding and a waste of taxpayers money.

Gaylord Perry was dealing with federally prohibited drugs?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Gaylord Perry was dealing with federally prohibited drugs?

Yeah,the problem really is just a lack of acceptance that these 2 substances(STEROIDS,HGH) are,for most people, illegal.You better have a prescription from a doctor that has found a legit reason to prescribe them to you.The reason people have no respect for that is because they let these guys get away without being punished.I mean these guys are doing the equivalent of simply stealing money from people.When you cheat to gain a physical advantage over the athletes you have to beat,then it's no different from stealing money from those other players.I guess people don't compute it that way,but it is true.Now,if you're wondering why it's in congress,well I think the better question is why isn't it in the courts? This is simple fraud,and just because they look tame to you,or you like them,doesn't mean they didn't commit fraud.There is simply too many people in this country that have no ethics,and that's why you see so damn little value in exposing people with the same lousy ethics.I would agree with you if it was just about somebody trying to get buff,but this is about people cheating to gain a financial/professional advantage.I'll say it again.It's no different than stealing from a department store.The only difference is they broke the law to get the tools(chemicals) in the 1st place.Cheating,and selfishnous(and the tolerance of it ) need to be paid attention to.If you don't have morals in a society,then it's gunna deteriorate.If I thought they were just hurting themselves,then I would agree with you,but this is about the deterioration of a society's morals.They knew you wouldn't care if they cheated.That's why they took the chance in the 1st place.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

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[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

McNamee should be indicted for perjury for saying that he never heard of Vitamin b-12. Where did he get his degree? Arizona State?

well according to Roger (stated seveal times over) McNamees degree was only a PHD!! The overwhelming majority of PHD's have minimal medical knowledge! I honestly should have employed some of my college professors to inject myself with some B-12 considering they were PHDs and all!!

I dont' know how any of this is perjury when there are no pictures of anything. It is still all he said, he said, she said, he injected etc. Isn't it all really just a multitude of inviduals going through mis-remembering episodes from McNamee, to clemens, to the wife of clemens to Pettite to Burton to Fran Drescher (the nanny) and the congresswoman with the many pictures of Roger on the mound with all his teams each decade??

Barry Bonds may be a jerk, but he has to be laughing his butt off over all this clemens nonsense.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

It wasn't a bricks n' mortar place.Just some correspondence classes.You know what I am saying? I wasn't kid'n .He got the damn thing on-line.Never went to a classroom.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

so your telling me he did NOT KNOW what hgh was..even though his wife had shot it and had a reaction to it.........fn please..

[Danzig]

mcnamee named three names. two of the three corroborate his story, with clemens the lone denier. and one of the other two who was named--friends of clemens, and backs up mcnamees story.
then you have the deal with the nanny. and of course you have the fact that clemens' wife supposedly used hgh. you telling me that rog is going to let his wife use, and then take the high road himself?! he wouldn't/didn't use, but she did for a photo spread?


i don't think this deal is worth congress' time....but it should be worth baseballs time.

Originally Posted by Danzig

mcnamee named three names. two of the three corroborate his story, with clemens the lone denier. and one of the other two who was named--friends of clemens, and backs up mcnamees story.
then you have the deal with the nanny. and of course you have the fact that clemens' wife supposedly used hgh. you telling me that rog is going to let his wife use, and then take the high road himself?! he wouldn't/didn't use, but she did for a photo spread?


i don't think this deal is worth congress' time....but it should be worth baseballs time.

Let us not forget his taped phone conversation.
NOT once, NOT one time, did Roger say:
"Tell the truth. You know you did not inject me with
that stuff, I know you did not inject me with the damn
stuff; why in God's name are you lying like this?"

Roger said none of this.
He is a frkn liar.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

mcnamee named three names. two of the three corroborate his story, with clemens the lone denier. and one of the other two who was named--friends of clemens, and backs up mcnamees story.
then you have the deal with the nanny. and of course you have the fact that clemens' wife supposedly used hgh. you telling me that rog is going to let his wife use, and then take the high road himself?! he wouldn't/didn't use, but she did for a photo spread?


i don't think this deal is worth congress' time....but it should be worth baseballs time.

Honestly what can baseball do to either of these guys anyway? Not to defend these players for lying under oath or in general but why is the govt so concerned about Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds? Shouldnt they be more concern with the people who are illegally suppling the drugs? It is beyond disgraceful that millions of dollars and tremendous amounts of time are being spent to try to destroy a few players reputations. The perjury thing aside, what if Clemens suddenly had just said I took HGH a few times like Pettite did, I'm sorry and I will plead my 5th amendment right for any other questions? Then what? Just like the Congress is looking into the NFL spygate case. What laws were broken there? Where is the harm or danger to the public? Does the result of a football game really matter so much that Congress needs to look into this? More money pissed away because some dried up old Eagles fan is still bitter about the Super Bowl? What can be done anyway? Declare the Eagles the winner on DQ? Makes you wish someone would go to Capital Hill with a gun and fire away on these guys so that maybe they would snap back into the reality of what they are supposed to be doing and stop the grandstanding.