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Old 01-29-2008, 06:28 PM
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1k? Nah, I agree with Phil here.

We didn't need any more proof.
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:37 PM
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We didn't need any more proof.
What do you think his fee would be if he retired right now?

Perhaps Phil is leaning a little high, but 1k? $7,500 sounds like a good number.
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:42 PM
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What do you think his fee would be if he retired right now?

Perhaps Phil is leaning a little high, but 1k? $7,500 sounds like a good number.
Not my strong suit.

This horse is a minorly accomplished slow horse. Perhaps that will change....but it usually doesn't.

But, hey, the TC trail is full of these horses and nobody seems to remember these discussions after these plethora of supposed contenders become the non-contenders that any sane person knew they would be.
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:45 PM
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5k. If not for winstar hed be in Florida
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:53 PM
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after shock jock runs weds at aq they can buy into an anthony bourdain book
though not a whole one..
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:17 PM
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that has turned into a silly thread. Everyone either seems concerned with the pockets of the boys at ieah and there partners or are really jealous. I get the feeling everyone here would probably be happier if he did not work out then if he did. With that being said, they pay 5mm for a derby horse who could very well go favored. What is the ratio of downside to upside. If he wins the derby they are selling to shiek mo for 50m. If he never wins a race again they have 3 to 4 million in stud value. After speaking to Mr. Iavarone today I have a very good understanding of what they did here. Also for reference, he said he bought the piece himself and has not syndicated to any partners. I cant understand how people on this board can doubt guys that have won the types of races they have in such a short period of time. It can only be jealousy. These guys are good for the game and if they can keep just 1 horse out of the hands of the Arabs we are all the better for it....Omar
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:23 PM
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they pay 5mm for a derby horse who could very well go favored.
Favored in a head-to-head off-shore prop against Legacy Thief maybe.
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:43 PM
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Boy were you right about him. Hopefully he is shortened back up.
He's obviously a very nice sprinter - If anyone but Lukas had him, he'd be a mortal lock to cut-back to sprints.
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Old 01-31-2008, 01:17 AM
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He's obviously a very nice sprinter - If anyone but Lukas had him, he'd be a mortal lock to cut-back to sprints.
Legacy Thief was vanned off after the race.
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:27 PM
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You state you hope they win the derby with the horse so they can sell it to the sheiks for 50 million.... Then your next sentence says they should be commended for keeping the horse away from the aforementioned sheiks. The people on this board are probably just rooting against this horse because of your inane propaganda. There are a lot of people who beleive a derby horse is something that is raised, trained and earned, not bought a few months prior to the race for a huge sum of cash.
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:31 PM
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curlin was acquired in feb, after he broke his maiden. looked like jess jackson really was concerned that he did not breed the horse
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:40 PM
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curlin was acquired in feb, after he broke his maiden. looked like jess jackson really was concerned that he did not breed the horse
If I was the propaganda minister for an organization, I don't think comparing my group to the owners of Curlin would be great for business.
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:33 PM
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that has turned into a silly thread. Everyone either seems concerned with the pockets of the boys at ieah and there partners or are really jealous. I get the feeling everyone here would probably be happier if he did not work out then if he did. With that being said, they pay 5mm for a derby horse who could very well go favored. What is the ratio of downside to upside. If he wins the derby they are selling to shiek mo for 50m. If he never wins a race again they have 3 to 4 million in stud value. After speaking to Mr. Iavarone today I have a very good understanding of what they did here. Also for reference, he said he bought the piece himself and has not syndicated to any partners. I cant understand how people on this board can doubt guys that have won the types of races they have in such a short period of time. It can only be jealousy. These guys are good for the game and if they can keep just 1 horse out of the hands of the Arabs we are all the better for it....Omar
No one really cares about IEAH's money or is jealous of them. You are the one who posted the topic, we just commented on it. If you dont agree with the opinions here give some reasons why instead of pulling the "jealousy" card. If you had spoken with Mr. Iavarone earlier why didnt you post that info before? We doubt "guys that have won these type of races" because they havent really won much in the grand scheme of things and most of these kind of purchases at this time of the year dont work out. No one is rooting against them but if the fair market value of this horse is in excess of 5 million dollars, the markets are a little slanted.
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:46 PM
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it is not about fair value.Buying a leading contender for the derby has a premium built in. just compare the upside to the downside. after speaking to him it made sense. if he does nothing they have 2 mm in exposure if he fails as a stallion because he will get 3mm back to them .if he wins a big one or works as a stallion they hit a home run. Is this not true? as far as winning races. How many people win breeders cup races and can say they have the best turfer and sprinter in the country at the same time??
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:28 PM
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it is not about fair value.Buying a leading contender for the derby has a premium built in. just compare the upside to the downside. after speaking to him it made sense. if he does nothing they have 2 mm in exposure if he fails as a stallion because he will get 3mm back to them .if he wins a big one or works as a stallion they hit a home run. Is this not true? as far as winning races. How many people win breeders cup races and can say they have the best turfer and sprinter in the country at the same time??
Your numbers are flawed because it has been stated that they did not purchase 100% of the horse which is what your numbers are based upon. Lots of people win Breeders Cup races (everybody here says there are too many BC races anyway, so how hard can they be to win) and I didnt know that they had bought Midnight Lute?
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:30 PM
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Your numbers are flawed because it has been stated that they did not purchase 100% of the horse which is what your numbers are based upon. Lots of people win Breeders Cup races (everybody here says there are too many BC races anyway, so how hard can they be to win) and I didnt know that they had bought Midnight Lute?

That's why he's only pulling message board duty.
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:33 PM
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I'm tempted to make a mult named FLAC.
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:09 PM
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that has turned into a silly thread. Everyone either seems concerned with the pockets of the boys at ieah and there partners or are really jealous. I get the feeling everyone here would probably be happier if he did not work out then if he did. With that being said, they pay 5mm for a derby horse who could very well go favored. What is the ratio of downside to upside. If he wins the derby they are selling to shiek mo for 50m. If he never wins a race again they have 3 to 4 million in stud value. After speaking to Mr. Iavarone today I have a very good understanding of what they did here. Also for reference, he said he bought the piece himself and has not syndicated to any partners. I cant understand how people on this board can doubt guys that have won the types of races they have in such a short period of time. It can only be jealousy. These guys are good for the game and if they can keep just 1 horse out of the hands of the Arabs we are all the better for it....Omar

Thank God for IEAH they have a great guy like Mike Sherack working for them....as if they had you anywhere outside of the internet shilling for them their reputation would be even worse.

They must be really proud of your work. The idea is to make people interested in them.....not turned off. They really should gag you.
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:35 PM
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done here. we shall see how it all unfolds
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:40 PM
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done here. we shall see how it all unfolds
Oh please don't leave!!! I find your ballsuc...err threads on IEAH fascinating!!
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