Jamie Sanders

[Left Bank]

She still needs to learn how to read a condition book.

[pick4]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

She still needs to learn how to read a condition book.

I agree. I thought she ruined Teufelsberg and had Stormello in my pick 4. I thought Stormello and Teufelsberg looked like similar horses but included Stormello because of the class and cutback angle.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by pick4

I agree. I thought she ruined Teufelsberg and had Stormello in my pick 4. I thought Stormello and Teufelsberg looked like similar horses but included Stormello because of the class and cutback angle.

I know I'm fighting a losing battle here but I'll say it anyway...the woman has done nothing wrong with this horse, he obviously is sound and prospers with work, she's running him the way trainers use to run their horses...you know, before the object was to run 6-8 times, get the fans hooked and then send the horse to the breeding shed. His run in the Blue Grass was certainly good enough, snail's pace and all, to merit taking the once-in-a-lifetime chance in the Derby. He lost the BG by a neck and the Derby winner was in the race afterall. You simply don't know how ANY horse is gonna respond to running against 19 others with all those people in the infield at 10 furlongs until you try. If that effort harmed the horse, it sure didn't show yesterday! How many MALE trainers have entered distance-challenged horses in the Derby? Todd Pletcher, for all his success has apparently entered quite a few horses in the race that "didn't belong", at least based on performance and yet folks don't make fun of him and act like he's ruining his horses. Of course her record overall is that of a low % trainer...not everybody wins 30% or even 10%, she's just starting trainer-wise. She has what we use to call an "iron horse", one who apparently thrives on racing...for 3yo's in the spring, that means taking a look at the TC at least...she tried the Derby and has now cut back appropriately to 7f, the Kings Bishop would appear to be the logical next race but I'd keep the Travers on the radar...suppose the race comes up paceless? Why not take a shot? 3yo races are unique...you get one shot only...who are we to criticize someone who actually runs a sound horse??

[pick4]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I know I'm fighting a losing battle here but I'll say it anyway...the woman has done nothing wrong with this horse, he obviously is sound and prospers with work, she's running him the way trainers use to run their horses...you know, before the object was to run 6-8 times, get the fans hooked and then send the horse to the breeding shed. His run in the Blue Grass was certainly good enough, snail's pace and all, to merit taking the once-in-a-lifetime chance in the Derby. He lost the BG by a neck and the Derby winner was in the race afterall. You simply don't know how ANY horse is gonna respond to running against 19 others with all those people in the infield at 10 furlongs until you try. If that effort harmed the horse, it sure didn't show yesterday! How many MALE trainers have entered distance-challenged horses in the Derby? Todd Pletcher, for all his success has apparently entered quite a few horses in the race that "didn't belong", at least based on performance and yet folks don't make fun of him and act like he's ruining his horses. Of course her record overall is that of a low % trainer...not everybody wins 30% or even 10%, she's just starting trainer-wise. She has what we use to call an "iron horse", one who apparently thrives on racing...for 3yo's in the spring, that means taking a look at the TC at least...she tried the Derby and has now cut back appropriately to 7f, the Kings Bishop would appear to be the logical next race but I'd keep the Travers on the radar...suppose the race comes up paceless? Why not take a shot? 3yo races are unique...you get one shot only...who are we to criticize someone who actually runs a sound horse??

We're not fighting. Look at Teufelsberg PP's from race 1 through the Woody Stephens and please explain using logic and not emotion how he has been managed wisely.

Taking chances is one thing but I think taking so many chances was not the best way to develop the horse. That being said Jaime Sanders is a horsewoman and I am not a horseman. She knows how to care for a horse and I do not. She worked for Nick Zito and I've only read positive things from him through various media sources. So even though her record thus far has been less than stellar you have to take Nick Zito at his horse that she is an excellent horsewoman.

Conditioning a horse and knowing where to run a horse are two different things. I believe some trainers are better at placing their horses than caring for their horse. It seems Jaime at this point in her training career is better at conditioning and caring for her horses than at placing her horse. The decision on skipping the Preakness and aiming for the Woody Stephens was a smart decision and she was rewarded for it.

I'd post the same thing even if Jaime Sanders was James Sanders. But I'm nothing but a racing fan and an anonymous poster expressing an opinion on an internet message board. I meant no harm and I'm not looking for fights.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I know how you would like to make this some societal arguement about men vs women but it clearly is not. Do you find it all a coincidence that she is now 3 for about 120 this year? All anyone has been saying is that the horse belongs sprinting. I'm sure the ride was fun on the way to the Derby but the horse should be sprinting. If that wasn't obvious after yesterday then there really is no hope.

I'm a little disappointed in how Sanders has handled her stock this year.. I thought she showed real promise last summer at Saratoga, but she seems pretty off the deep end in her placings of some of her horses these days.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm a little disappointed in how Sanders has handled her stock this year.. I thought she showed real promise last summer at Saratoga, but she seems pretty off the deep end in her placings of some of her horses these days.

she has made in excess of $5 million dollars this year in her pocket pure profit, how could that be disapointing in any way?

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

She still needs to learn how to read a condition book.

she needs to learn how to read a condition book? the horse she bought for $9k has won $500k, you need to read a dictionary

[Danzig]

even a blind squirrel.....

how many horses does she have, how many other than teuf have done anything? using one example doesn't make her a great trainer--if one horse was all it took, risen stars trainer would be in the hall of fame. hell, i can't even remember the guys name. that's how great he was.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

even a blind squirrel.....

how many horses does she have, how many other than teuf have done anything? using one example doesn't make her a great trainer--if one horse was all it took, risen stars trainer would be in the hall of fame. hell, i can't even remember the guys name. that's how great he was.

OK, I'll weigh in and then leave the thread alone...I know folks don't want another sociological expose from me but...name the female trainers who are consider among the training elite? That's the truth of things, it's much harder for a woman to get started as a trainer and much harder for her to be successful...do you really think there is some reason why men are better trainers? When I worked on the backstretch, I met numerous female trainers...they were every bit the horsefolks that the guys were....but they didn't get the horses! Karen Hackney at Penn National has a good year if she wins 5 races out of 200 yet she knows her stuff...the glass ceiling is still there! Give this woman a few years and we'll see if (a) she gets horses that she doesn't own and (b) what she does with them. She's got the background, learned from the best...way to early too throw her under the bus.

[Danzig]

oh come on somer, she gets a hard time because she's a woman?! i think that's a bunch of bull...case in point, helen pitts, who gets nothing but praise on this board and elsewhere. but then, her horses do well! kristin mulhall gets some from both sides, but again, her horses perform. jenine sahadi is another who has worked hard, and has reaped rewards.

i still see unfair treatment--i experience it. but a person who does a poor job, and gets called out for it, shouldn't suddenly scream sexism just to see if it fits. it doesn't fit here.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

oh come on somer, she gets a hard time because she's a woman?! i think that's a bunch of bull...case in point, helen pitts, who gets nothing but praise on this board and elsewhere. but then, her horses do well! kristin mulhall gets some from both sides, but again, her horses perform. jenine sahadi is another who has worked hard, and has reaped rewards.

i still see unfair treatment--i experience it. but a person who does a poor job, and gets called out for it, shouldn't suddenly scream sexism just to see if it fits. it doesn't fit here.

I didn't say that...don't put words in my mouth! I said that women trainers have a more difficult time succeeding than men....that's hard to argue looking at leading trainers etc. As far as the board giving her a hard time...remarks about her hair, her smoking, her speech and other physical aspects of her person speak for themselves.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I didn't say that...don't put words in my mouth! I said that women trainers have a more difficult time succeeding than men....that's hard to argue looking at leading trainers etc. As far as the board giving her a hard time...remarks about her hair, her smoking, her speech and other physical aspects of her person speak for themselves.

i think she has a hard time getting good horses because of her stats, not because she's a woman.

Originally Posted by Danzig

even a blind squirrel.....

how many horses does she have, how many other than teuf have done anything? using one example doesn't make her a great trainer--if one horse was all it took, risen stars trainer would be in the hall of fame. hell, i can't even remember the guys name. that's how great he was.

huh? the trainer of risen star is as good or better than any horse trainer in history comparatively, lou rousell not only trains race horses but he use to own the fair grounds in new orleans and he has been a 30% win trainer for 20 years at the highest level in this sport....he has only been better than a guy named pletcher for 20+years, one of the most respected horse trainers in the world.
do you remember his name now?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by slewpy

huh? the trainer of risen star is as good or better than any horse trainer in history comparatively, lou rousell not only trains race horses but he use to own the fair grounds in new orleans and he has been a 30% win trainer for 20 years at the highest level in this sport....he has only been better than a guy named pletcher for 20+years, one of the most respected horse trainers in the world.
do you remember his name now?

Where do you come up with this nonsense? So, I guess Todd is also on the list of people around the racetrack you hate. I can't wait to see the rest of the list. But, apparently Louis Rousell is a great trainer. Also good to know. Not that I am saying he was a bad trainer but your personal animus seems to cloud your mind from forming sane opinions.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Where do you come up with this nonsense? So, I guess Todd is also on the list of people around the racetrack you hate. I can't wait to see the rest of the list. But, apparently Louis Rousell is a great trainer. Also good to know. Not that I am saying he was a bad trainer but your personal animus seems to cloud your mind from forming sane opinions.

well, according to this same poster, you're either a great trainer by cheating, or no good at all....so i don't know that i'd want slewpy calling me a great.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Where do you come up with this nonsense? So, I guess Todd is also on the list of people around the racetrack you hate. I can't wait to see the rest of the list. But, apparently Louis Rousell is a great trainer. Also good to know. Not that I am saying he was a bad trainer but your personal animus seems to cloud your mind from forming sane opinions.

well louie rousell use to own his own race track the fair grounds in new orleans and his win % in his career dwarfs most any trainer in the world, you said the trainer was some nobody of risen star he is a legend in louisianna horse racing history and the absolute best horsemen in this country are either from louisianna or from nebraska,,so its non-sense? you just said the trainer of risen star was some nobody that no one could remember, the only people that would know who louie rouseell was were anyone that had any knoweledge about horse racing,,,he is only one of the richest and most admired and influential people in the hisory of the sport

[ArlJim78]

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[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by slewpy

well louie rousell use to own his own race track the fair grounds in new orleans and his win % in his career dwarfs most any trainer in the world, you said the trainer was some nobody of risen star he is a legend in louisianna horse racing history and the absolute best horsemen in this country are either from louisianna or from nebraska,,so its non-sense? you just said the trainer of risen star was some nobody that no one could remember, the only people that would know who louie rouseell was were anyone that had any knoweledge about horse racing,,,he is only one of the richest and most admired and influential people in the hisory of the sport

First of all, I never said any of that ( most notably I would never forget the name of Risen Star's trainer ). However, the highlighted portion of your post is a hoot.

Thanks again.

Kristin Mulhall is also another decent female trainer. Janine Sahadi wasn't too shabby either. Don't know what happened to her.

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by slewpy

well louie rousell use to own his own race track the fair grounds in new orleans and his win % in his career dwarfs most any trainer in the world, you said the trainer was some nobody of risen star he is a legend in louisianna horse racing history and the absolute best horsemen in this country are either from louisianna or from nebraska,,so its non-sense? you just said the trainer of risen star was some nobody that no one could remember, the only people that would know who louie rouseell was were anyone that had any knoweledge about horse racing,,,he is only one of the richest and most admired and influential people in the hisory of the sport

uh, far be it from me to chirp in being a novice and all but I don't think Andy needs this kind of jazz. Ever buy a DRF? His picture is in it almost every day in that little full page ad (youbet). Credentials speak louder then your jazz, instead of cutting someone down why not have a decent exchange or just let it be?