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Old 05-08-2007, 07:24 PM
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Just wish he would've gotten cranked a little sooner. I had the 7-8/7-8/all.
I was hoping for a little something longer than Curlin to get 3rd. Not a bad triple as it was but with Imawildandcrazy guy it would have been much nicer.
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:33 PM
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I get the feeling that Guy's result is in direct corelation to Guidry, he is a great closer and just got that closer trip where he got the right hole and he wasn't stopping......
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:12 PM
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Every year a horse makes a big late move in the Derby and everyone says, "Oh my gosh that's my horse for the Belmont." The list is endless, including Menifee in '99, Impeachment in 2000, Atswhatimtalknabout in '03 (of course he never went on to run again), Imperialism in '04, and Steppenwolfer and Jazil a year ago.

The reason why these types of horses have little success in the Belmont is the very nature of the race. A mile and a quarter race, and the Derby in particular, will have a much faster pace than a mile and a half race. Now many on here are much more adept in laying out pace scenarios so I hope they comment. The slower pace of the Belmont does not make it any easier for a closer and thus the Belmont is a more difficult race for a late runner to win than the Derby is in my opinion.

Jazil won a year ago thanks to basically a four-furlong move that commenced at the entry to the far turn and continued all the way to the wire.

So, is Imawildandcrazyguy worth a shot in the Belmont? If you have reason to think the pace will be fast enough and that he can sustain a bid for more than the last quarter of a mile, then sure.

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Old 05-08-2007, 08:13 PM
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Every year a horse makes a big late move in the Derby and everyone says, "Oh my gosh that's my horse for the Belmont." The list is endless, including Menifee in '99, Impeachment in 2000, Atswhatimtalknabout in '03 (of course he never went on to run again), Imperialism in '04, and Steppenwolfer and Jazil a year ago.

The reason why these types of horses have little success in the Belmont is the very nature of the race. A mile and a quarter race, and the Derby in particular, will have a much faster pace than a mile and a half race. Now many on here are much more adept in laying out pace scenarios so I hope they comment. The slower pace of the Belmont does not make it any easier for a closer and thus the Belmont is a more difficult race for a late runner to win than the Derby is in my opinion.

Jazil won a year ago thanks to basically a four-furlong move that commenced at the entry to the far turn and continued all the way to the wire.

So, is Imawildandcrazyguy worth a shot in the Belmont? If you have reason to think the pace will be fast enough and that he can sustain a bid for more than the last quarter of a mile, then sure.

NT

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Old 05-08-2007, 08:38 PM
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I don't think he was running late as much as he was running even and passing dead dog tired horses from the 3/16 pole to the wire.
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Old 05-09-2007, 08:31 AM
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I get the feeling that Guy's result is in direct corelation to Guidry, he is a great closer and just got that closer trip where he got the right hole and he wasn't stopping......
I agree. I think Mark Guidry is completely underrated as a jockey.
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Old 05-09-2007, 04:30 PM
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I get the feeling that Guy's result is in direct corelation to Guidry, he is a great closer and just got that closer trip where he got the right hole and he wasn't stopping......

Since when is going 18 wide around the far turn getting the right hole?
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