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Old 04-13-2007, 06:45 AM
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How many horses have run in the Derby with just 2 preps?...
If the population of 2 prep runners is quite small then it would be reasonable to assume that the number of 2 prep winners would be quite small...
Also how many 2 prep runners were Derby Fever type entrants as opposed to notable horses with calculated/planned 2 prep foundation?

I am not endorsing the 2 prep approach...I'm simply saying that there are various ways to compare past history to current events....figures lie and liars figure.
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Old 04-13-2007, 07:24 AM
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How many horses have run in the Derby with just 2 preps?...
If the population of 2 prep runners is quite small then it would be reasonable to assume that the number of 2 prep winners would be quite small...
Also how many 2 prep runners were Derby Fever type entrants as opposed to notable horses with calculated/planned 2 prep foundation?

I am not endorsing the 2 prep approach...I'm simply saying that there are various ways to compare past history to current events....figures lie and liars figure.
It's the same fallacy of the "5 week layoff" into the Derby that was broken last year. What (legitimate) preps, exactly, were available 5 weeks out until the Fla Derby was moved 2 years ago? The answer: NONE.

I would prefer a 3-4 race campaign prep but only 2 would NOT be the reason I wouldn't back Street Sense or Great Hunter on Derby Day.
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Old 04-13-2007, 07:42 AM
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Street Sense in particular. I can think of about 1,528 reasons to not back Hard Spun with my money, but he's not among the two prep horses pointed at the 2007 Derby. I count three 2007 starts for our boy.
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Old 04-13-2007, 07:47 AM
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Street Sense in particular. I can think of about 1,528 reasons to not back Hard Spun with my money, but he's not among the two prep horses pointed at the 2007 Derby. I count three 2007 starts for our boy.
Duh, I meant Great Hunter. Too early in the morning for me.
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Old 04-13-2007, 07:51 AM
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Duh, I meant Great Hunter. Too early in the morning for me.
Not talking to you, but the original post mentioned Hard Spun as a two prepper. That would be like calling Barbaro a two prepper last year because his first 2007 start was on the turf.

Anywho, my point is Street Sense is the nuts and Great Hunter is a stud and they're both only going to have two preps headed into the Derby. Hard Spun would be up there with the favorites if his connections weren't downright loony.
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Old 04-13-2007, 10:09 AM
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The horse doesnt know how many preps he has had. The horse doesnt care. I think we are going to see more horses who already have the graded money only have 2 preps. I also think we are going to see more horses with 5-7 weeks off before the Derby. heck, just 5 years ago I believe, the Wood, Arkansas and Bluegrass were all run on the same day (usually about 3-4 weeks from the Derby). The only horse who needs 3 preps this year is Curlin because he had ZERO foundation.
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Old 04-13-2007, 10:32 AM
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When there are 50 cars in a race and 49 of them have six speeds and one has only four, the one with only four is at a distince disadvantage. When there is a race with 50 cars and 25 of them have six speed and 25 have four, the odds are more in your favor.

Usually, the ones that have come into the Derby with only two preps have had plenty of other disadvantages to overcome than just that. But in this new age, when more and more top contenders are coming in this way, it's just a matter of time before two preps becomes the norm rather than the exception. Once one wins, trainers being the copycats they are, will surely try to follow the same path with their horses.
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Old 04-13-2007, 12:32 PM
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The horse doesnt know how many preps he has had. The horse doesnt care. I think we are going to see more horses who already have the graded money only have 2 preps. I also think we are going to see more horses with 5-7 weeks off before the Derby. heck, just 5 years ago I believe, the Wood, Arkansas and Bluegrass were all run on the same day (usually about 3-4 weeks from the Derby). The only horse who needs 3 preps this year is Curlin because he had ZERO foundation.
Oh I beg to differ that the horse does not know. Agree he does not when loading to go 1 1/4 miles but you bet your bottom dollar he will know when he starts wavering at 1/8 pole gasping for the line. Must have the 3 preps for me or toss out for the win.



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