Best Sire in the world

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

well at this point im definitly attached i think he is a great sire, but i ment i was standing by the fact that i cannot call saddlers wells the best sire in the world because he dosent produce on both surfaces....i can say the best in ireland, but not in the world

I will bet you that Giants Causeway has zero grade 1 winners on the dirt this year.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I will bet you that Giants Causeway has zero grade 1 winners on the dirt this year.

he has a very good one who broke his maiden belive it or not at laurel, i forgot the name though, when i saw him break his maiden i thought superstar it was on dirt, he was 10-1 morning line got bet down pretty low. im going to go and try to find the name of this guy.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

i cant find it, it was a first timer and jeremy rose rode, i dont think he has came back to run yet, 3yr old i think he can definitly make some noise

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

he has a very good one who broke his maiden belive it or not at laurel, i forgot the name though, when i saw him break his maiden i thought superstar it was on dirt, he was 10-1 morning line got bet down pretty low. im going to go and try to find the name of this guy.

This is really a laughable argument. Go to Coolmores web site and check out the top 20 for Sadlers Wells. It is a nice list. He has produced 30% stakes placed runners with 18% stake winners. Unbelievable #'s. He is pretty old now and I dont believe that he covers many mares but if you are really interested in breeding you should learn as much as you can about stallions like this.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is really a laughable argument. Go to Coolmores web site and check out the top 20 for Sadlers Wells. It is a nice list. He has produced 30% stakes placed runners with 18% stake winners. Unbelievable #'s. He is pretty old now and I dont believe that he covers many mares but if you are really interested in breeding you should learn as much as you can about stallions like this.

no listen your taking my argument the wrong way, i know saddlers wells and i have been looking at the website and everything, i realize how great he is, i will go read up on him some more, i guess i have phrased my argument the wrong way i guess i should say that giants causeway could be the best in the world, not that he is.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

no listen your taking my argument the wrong way, i know saddlers wells and i have been looking at the website and everything, i realize how great he is, i will go read up on him some more, i guess i have phrased my argument the wrong way i guess i should say that giants causeway could be the best in the world, not that he is.

47 GC yearlings have been sold this year for an average of $55000. That is not the sign of a stallion that is going in the right direction, Shekh Mo's boycott or not.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

see i dont understand that the site says the number 1 freshman sire in the world, and there selling for that little ?

[reese]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

see i dont understand that the site says the number 1 freshman sire in the world, and there selling for that little ?

NO one can explain that...all they do is quote the yearling sales prices...

My opinion as I stated in a prior post is the first years' here, Coolmore bred GC to 191+ mares...or anyone who payed the 300k...bound to be duds. I think that GC is now private because Coolmore is being very selective after flooding the market with GC's progeny. As stated, the boycott by the sheik's has to hurt the numbers too.

Sadler's Wells has been at it a lot longer than GC, so that comparison is skewed.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Before he went sour at the end of his career -- and possibly mismanaged -- he was awesome! His Arc win over El Condor Pasa was one for the ages!

you could exactly that about his best son Hurricane Run.. eerily similar profile.. A great Arc win followed by a decent first half 4yo season and then..