Best Sire in the world

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i realize that, but to be the best sire in the world dont you think that the sire should produce great horses on both surfaces ? thats why i think giants causeway will be the best, if he already isent. i have no problem saying sadler's wells is the best in Ireland

im going to stand by that....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

im going to stand by that....

By the way I think that Giants Causeway is really a turf sire that occasionally gets a dirt runner. Sadlers Wells is a legendary sire, perhaps the greatest sire ever in Europe. Maybe Giants Causeway can get a fair stakes horse like First Samurai on the Dirt but he is about 10 champions behind Sadlers Wells on the Turf. I believe that you may be attaching yourself to a falling star.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

By the way I think that Giants Causeway is really a turf sire that occasionally gets a dirt runner. Sadlers Wells is a legendary sire, perhaps the greatest sire ever in Europe. Maybe Giants Causeway can get a fair stakes horse like First Samurai on the Dirt but he is about 10 champions behind Sadlers Wells on the Turf. I believe that you may be attaching yourself to a falling star.

well at this point im definitly attached i think he is a great sire, but i ment i was standing by the fact that i cannot call saddlers wells the best sire in the world because he dosent produce on both surfaces....i can say the best in ireland, or europe, but not in the world

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

well at this point im definitly attached i think he is a great sire, but i ment i was standing by the fact that i cannot call saddlers wells the best sire in the world because he dosent produce on both surfaces....i can say the best in ireland, but not in the world

I will bet you that Giants Causeway has zero grade 1 winners on the dirt this year.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I will bet you that Giants Causeway has zero grade 1 winners on the dirt this year.

he has a very good one who broke his maiden belive it or not at laurel, i forgot the name though, when i saw him break his maiden i thought superstar it was on dirt, he was 10-1 morning line got bet down pretty low. im going to go and try to find the name of this guy.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

i cant find it, it was a first timer and jeremy rose rode, i dont think he has came back to run yet, 3yr old i think he can definitly make some noise

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

he has a very good one who broke his maiden belive it or not at laurel, i forgot the name though, when i saw him break his maiden i thought superstar it was on dirt, he was 10-1 morning line got bet down pretty low. im going to go and try to find the name of this guy.

This is really a laughable argument. Go to Coolmores web site and check out the top 20 for Sadlers Wells. It is a nice list. He has produced 30% stakes placed runners with 18% stake winners. Unbelievable #'s. He is pretty old now and I dont believe that he covers many mares but if you are really interested in breeding you should learn as much as you can about stallions like this.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is really a laughable argument. Go to Coolmores web site and check out the top 20 for Sadlers Wells. It is a nice list. He has produced 30% stakes placed runners with 18% stake winners. Unbelievable #'s. He is pretty old now and I dont believe that he covers many mares but if you are really interested in breeding you should learn as much as you can about stallions like this.

no listen your taking my argument the wrong way, i know saddlers wells and i have been looking at the website and everything, i realize how great he is, i will go read up on him some more, i guess i have phrased my argument the wrong way i guess i should say that giants causeway could be the best in the world, not that he is.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Before he went sour at the end of his career -- and possibly mismanaged -- he was awesome! His Arc win over El Condor Pasa was one for the ages!

you could exactly that about his best son Hurricane Run.. eerily similar profile.. A great Arc win followed by a decent first half 4yo season and then..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

.i can say the best in ireland, or europe, but not in the world

How about the best in Europe, Asia, Dubai, and Austrilia? That is a lot of the world

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How about the best in Europe, Asia, Dubai, and Austrilia? That is a lot of the world

you got it

[Thoroughbred Fan]

For my money the best in the world are: Sadler's Wells, A.P. Indy, Redoute's Choice, El Prado, Gone West, Encosta de Lago, and Not For Love.

[magic_idol]

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

For my money the best in the world are: Sadler's Wells, A.P. Indy, Redoute's Choice, El Prado, Gone West, Encosta de Lago, and Not For Love.

Redoute's Choice produces the best offspring ive ever seen time & time again,
Some of his yearlings come in at the 500 kilo mark ( not sure in american weight that would be ) Now if we could only get him on the breeders Cup stallion list
There would be no more talk of street cry

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

For my money the best in the world are: Sadler's Wells, A.P. Indy, Redoute's Choice, El Prado, Gone West, Encosta de Lago, and Not For Love.

I like Not For Love as well... He's got some good two-year-olds this year that I'm going to be watching for when they make their starts.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I like Not For Love as well... He's got some good two-year-olds this year that I'm going to be watching for when they make their starts.

And if they had given in and moved him to KY years ago, he'd be standing for $100k. He gets a bunch of quality horses out of very average mares.

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

And if they had given in and moved him to KY years ago, he'd be standing for $100k. He gets a bunch of quality horses out of very average mares.

He is a steal for 25k with all the great horses on the dam side. He
was a modest racehorse compared to full brother Rythm who
can't sire anything. I couldn't believe when I went to Northview
stallion show they were considering lowering his fee to 20K, but
they didn't

[Thoroughbred Fan]

Originally Posted by saucon17

He is a steal for 25k with all the great horses on the dam side. He
was a modest racehorse compared to full brother Rythm who
can't sire anything. I couldn't believe when I went to Northview
stallion show they were considering lowering his fee to 20K, but
they didn't

They actually did for anyone signing a contract by Jan 1st. Then it went back to $25k.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by saucon17

He is a steal for 25k with all the great horses on the dam side. He
was a modest racehorse compared to full brother Rythm who
can't sire anything. I couldn't believe when I went to Northview
stallion show they were considering lowering his fee to 20K, but
they didn't

I actually like his son Duckhorn a lot.

[Cajungator26]

Does anyone have any thoughts on how successful Deputy Storm will be? (He stands at Northview in Maryland as well.) He's a Forestry and built very similar to Discreet Cat. I'm curious to see how well he does.

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Does anyone have any thoughts on how successful Deputy Storm will be? (He stands at Northview in Maryland as well.) He's a Forestry and built very similar to Discreet Cat. I'm curious to see how well he does.

He was suppose to stand last year but they didn't get enough bookings because in Pa. there was a Forestry son named Congressionalhonor who was standing. He is a Gr3 winning son out of Quiet Dance who is the dam of the late Saint Liam. He was booked to close to 100 mares last year. We have a 2week old filly by CHonor. Cajun a nice looking sire they had at Northview was Dance With Ravens who has an outstanding pedigree