Next Big Stallion? What is your opinion?

[Cajungator26]

Actually, you know the more I look at Orientate, I love his build, but I'm not a huge fan of his legs. He doesn't appear to have a whole lot of bone there and he looks pretty fragile (although he retired sound after a good year of racing at 4.) Of course I've never seen the horse up close, but that's what it looks like to me.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

I think he has a great column of bone. I know why you said that, but it isn't the problem. The problem is that his cannon bones are too long which makes his legs look thinner than they really are. That would have made him a little more prone to tendon injuries. He also may be just a touch calf-kneed, but his legs are clean enough. He's a lot better than a whole lot of them. He retired sound, and that is good enough for me. Besides, all of his two year olds look like very well built, strong horses, and that is all that matters. Well that and the fact that they can fly!

[Buffymommy]

Haven't followed breeding that much, just kinda interested in it lately, but does anyone know how Budda is doing as a sire? I thought I had heard that his babies were beautiful.

Originally Posted by Buffymommy

Haven't followed breeding that much, just kinda interested in it lately, but does anyone know how Budda is doing as a sire? I thought I had heard that his babies were beautiful.

Lenaro, one of Buddha's looked really impressive in his romp at Churchill in a MSW. I think Buddha is going to be a great stallion.

[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Lenaro, one of Buddha's looked really impressive in his romp at Churchill in a MSW. I think Buddha is going to be a great stallion.

That is great to hear. Horse was my derby pick that year. Loved his fight with Medalia D' Oro in his last prep. LOVED it.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Buffymommy

Haven't followed breeding that much, just kinda interested in it lately, but does anyone know how Budda is doing as a sire? I thought I had heard that his babies were beautiful.

The Budha 2 year olds looked terrible. I think I only saw one decent one out of about 20 of his offspring. I was joking with my trainer that Budha looks like this year's Freud. In 2005, practically every horse by Freud looked terrible. Budha is the Freud of 2006.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The Budha 2 year olds looked terrible. I think I only saw one decent one out of about 20 of his offspring. I was joking with my trainer that Budha looks like this year's Freud. In 2005, practically every horse by Freud looked terrible. Budha is the Freud of 2006.

I wasn't much of a fan of Buddha although I always liked Unbridled. The combination of Unbridled Song and Storm Cat in his pedigree probably doesn't leave much hope for a sound horse. JMO of course.

[JJP]

Best inexpensive stallion? Pioneering, who's a 1/2 to Storm Cat. His offspring handle dirt, turf and slop. May have some distance limitations at the classic distances but how many horses are going to run in the Triple Crown?

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I wasn't much of a fan of Buddha although I always liked Unbridled. The combination of Unbridled Song and Storm Cat in his pedigree probably doesn't leave much hope for a sound horse. JMO of course.

you have Griffinite in NY that raced 2 - 5, 28 starts. quite a durable son of Unbridled Song.

[Downthestretch55]

For one that I think will be big in NY, have a look at this guy, he's #10 on the first sire list at Blood Horse, and his fee is certainly reasonable.
I think he'll make some decent runners....
His name, Thunderello....
http://www.sugarmaple-farm.com/thunderello.shtml

DTS

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I think he has a great column of bone. I know why you said that, but it isn't the problem. The problem is that his cannon bones are too long which makes his legs look thinner than they really are. That would have made him a little more prone to tendon injuries. He also may be just a touch calf-kneed, but his legs are clean enough. He's a lot better than a whole lot of them. He retired sound, and that is good enough for me. Besides, all of his two year olds look like very well built, strong horses, and that is all that matters. Well that and the fact that they can fly!

Jessica, check out the shoulder on this guy...

http://www.marylandstallions.com/Bowman.html

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Jessica, check out the shoulder on this guy...

http://www.marylandstallions.com/Bowman.html

Wow. That dude has an enormous sloping shoulder. This is what I like to see. His neck comes out of it good. It also has that rounded appearance that you desire. The only fault I can find with it is that the muscles where his neck tie into his shoulder look a little rough, but it is so hard to tell from a standing photo because it could just be the angle of the camera or the position of his body that is making the muscles look like that.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Actually, you know the more I look at Orientate, I love his build, but I'm not a huge fan of his legs. He doesn't appear to have a whole lot of bone there and he looks pretty fragile (although he retired sound after a good year of racing at 4.) Of course I've never seen the horse up close, but that's what it looks like to me.

I've never been up close to him either but I have worked with some of his yearlings and I must say they do come up a bit light (at least the ones I've seen) and they also have long cannons like dad. I'm not saying it is or isn't a problem but I prefer a more sturdy looking individual JMO.